2996

More Richard Spencer punching:

2997

Everyone who punches Nazis is an American hero.

2998

Alabama checking in!

2999

FWIW, I assumed those guys were wearing masks because they’re undercover. In which case, they should not have even been there. But it’s FL, so I’m assuming my assumptions are wrong.

3000

Who else can you punch that you disagree with, or is it solely restricted to those classified as nazis?

Also, punching people is pretty meaningless, no? I would imagine that some of those punched because others disagreed with them might decide that they wanted to take revenge, and hey, maybe they have a gun, or explosives, so perhaps a better solution would be removing these “disagreeing elements” from the equation, to avoid them fighting back or taking revenge at a latter time?

Funny with a protest against ‘Nazis’ while at the same time they live with a militarized police force, an all encompassing intelligence apparatus looking into almost everything they do, working towards near 24/7 surveillance… and the protest and fight is against a tiny group of stooges that do not even become a blip on the radar, who have no power, and probably do not work for the police state (which I would guess facists want implemented). Surely attacking these people directly and giving them free “press” only helps increase the reach of their message? (through more news"worthy" content - hey, everyone loves Violence and the free memes they can share with their friends on facebook)

I read an interview with one of the Westborough members who recently left it, and I believe one of the reasons she explained for leaving it after so much time spent there was thanks to having normal conversations with many people who disagreed with her, but didn’t punch her in the face.

That said, appeasement (i.e. dialogue) didn’t work back in the 30s, then again, had the French or British killed Adolf in ~38 maybe the British Empire would still reign supreme, or the German army wouldn’t have been forced to all the disasterous decisions that led to their defeat in the war, so who knows…

3001

Anyone who openly advocates the oppression and dehumanization of other people, effectively voids the social contact with the rest of society.

Thus, punching them is not simply allowed because I disagree with them, but rather because they themselves are choosing to step outside of the protections of civil society.

Those protections come with responsibilities. To live under the umbrella of protection offered by society, you are required to respect the rest of the people who live under that umbrella.

Richard Spencer does not fulfill those responsibilities, and thus he is not granted the protections that the rest of us enjoy.

No, I think it’s quite meaningful. Ideally, people like this would be terrified to leave the house and preach their obscene bullshit, for fear of being beaten to a pulp.

3002

How could that possibly go wrong, right?

3003

Is this the same state that just lost their Family Values governor, the one that wants to force his morality on everyone else while secretly having an affair?

Oh yes, yes it is.

3004

And if a good beating doesn’t stop them we should round them up and gas them.

3005

Yeah, see, this argument here doesn’t really work.

Nazi’s aren’t normal people. They aren’t poor little flowers being abused by others. There is no equivalence between them and minority groups who they advocate oppressing.

Nazis voluntarily embrace an ideology bent on the murder and oppression of others. Fuck them.

If they want to not be beaten up, all they have to do is stop advocating the dehumanization of other human beings. That’s it.

Saying that they deserve to be respected, and that refusing to do so is as bad as what they do, is like saying that a thief’s property rights deserve to be respected, and confiscating his stolen property is equivalent to the original crime of theft. It is not.

3006

And it’s your job to beat some sense in to them. Your job to decide who is worthy and who is not. Your job to be justice and jury. Your job to act like the Nazi you despise.

Does it bother you that at today’s liberal bastions it is the liberals who demonstrate and riot when conservative speakers are invited on campus? Probably not, I imagine that is how they should be treated.

3007

Well we wouldn’t have to punch Nazis if it weren’t for the baby boomers.

3008

:) 123

3009

Again, you are drawing a false equivalence.

Beating up a Nazi, who is openly advocating the murder and oppression of minority groups, is not equivalent to the Nazi murdering and oppressing minority groups.

And yeah, it is my job to beat them up. It’s everyone’s job.

They are not victims here. They are not like a black person victimized by racism, or a jew victimized by anti-semitism. The source of the persecution of Nazis, is entirely derived from their desire to murder and oppress other people.

They can just stop wanting to murder and oppress other people.

This is not some innate quality of their persons. This is a conscious choice by them, which in directly at odds with the basic human rights of other people. Their beliefs are incompatible with society. And the are CHOOSING to be incompatible, and thus they are choosing to step outside of society’s protections.

They are more than welcome to rejoin society and respect other people, and then they too will be afforded that respect. But they don’t get to enjoy the protections of society, while openly advocating for the oppression of other people who are respecting everyone else.

It’s like you’re in some group, and a guy comes in and starts punching everyone… You don’t say, “Well, we can’t hit him back, because then we’d be as bad as he is!”

No, because you wouldn’t be punching innocent people like he is. You’d just be punishing a guy who is attacking everyone.

Let us be very clear here:
Nazis are not “conservative speakers”.

They are not being punched simply because you disagree with them. That’s the part of your thinking which is mistaken.

They are being beaten because they are fascist thugs who want to murder and oppress other people.

3010

and you get to pick out who they are and how they should be treated…understood.

3011

You understand that to be like Nazis you would have to advocate for and want genocide. You make it sound like being a Nazis is just some cool club the white boys hang out at. Acting like a Nazis is not punching people… it’s gassing them.

3012

Conversely, wanting to punch people is, even at worst, merely acting like a soccer fan.

3013

No, I don’t get to pick out who they are. They self identify.

I’m not saying that you should get punched on suspicion of being a Nazi.

I’m saying that people like Richard Spencer, who are openly advocating Nazism, should get punched.

And yeah, I get to determine how they deserve to be treated, because they have chosen to step outside of the laws governing society, by advocating that other minority groups be murdered and oppressed. Since they have advocated the stripping of society’s protections for others, they have ceded their own protections under those same rules. And, again, all they need to do to reacquire those protections, is merely to stop advocating for the oppression of others.

You’re trying real hard to find some sort of moral equivalence here, but there isn’t one. I thought about this pretty hard before coming to the conclusion I reached.

3014

Yea…I am sure you thought real hard.

3015

Yeah, I did dude. And you aren’t offering much of an argument to counter the position.

If you got something, let’s hear it, but thus far you’re only offering false equivalence whose error I was able to highlight in detail.