Teiman
3311
This is naive.
Here why is naive:
- russian troll farms
- normal trolls
- people behaving on bad faith unconsciously
- people behaving on bad faith consciusly
- faith based beliefs vs reason based beliefs
- people on all ages participating on the discussions
- people on all education levels participating on the discussions
- unhability of normal people to think rationally for long periods of time (longer than XX seconds)
Geometric grown vs Linear grown:
- You cant apply any linear effort to lower the spread of something with a geometric grown,
When your grandma share a conservative meme with 20 of his friends, you have a reproductive rate of 20. Similar of a infection that have each people infected infecting other 20 people.
Soma
3312
Wait wait wait, so we just abandon people who disagree with us, wall ourselves up and let the “crazies” roam the rest of the world like in a zombie apocalypse? I’m afraid you haven’t seen enough zombie movies to know that it won’t work. Someone is bounded to forget to lock the front gate and the zombies/“crazies” will breach the wall, sooner or later.
You are assuming we will just let conservative memes to run unchecked with no countermeasures. That is just conceding defeat without a fight. We got Colbert.
Well you CAN live without electricity, just like you CAN live without any social media. You will miss a ton of conversations AND no internet though. Your call, man.
C’mon, electricity, heat, water, and a sewage system is a lot more important to modern life than Facebook and Twitter. Out of this list if you had to give up anything what would it be?
I’ve never been a big social media person but my adult children use it a lot. My oldest son, who has his own children now, walked away from Twitter a few years ago. He saw that he was spending too much time each week on it so he made the decision to nuke it and no longer use it. It is possible to get away from these things and still be informed.
I think this badly misunderstands the nature of the human condition in the absence of electricity.
You can’t deprogram these people without taking out their enablers first. And for that to happen several ‘news’ networks need to be nuked (like OAN) and several programs/talking heads on others (like Tucker/Hannity on Fox).
Now if this is your plan as well, I’m all for it. But I don’t see the Biden administration doing this, which means Q media will continue to spew their crazy bullshit and the Qs will continue to lap it up. Targeting these people directly for deprogramming might work in individual cases, but at the scale required? Never going to work.
And the reason for that is the same reason I take issue with the term ‘abandoned’. These people weren’t abandoned. They chose their fate. They were overtaken by changing times and their own complete inability to deal with it.
Rather than moving with the flow they withdrew into their insular fortress of Q media where they are the victim and nothing is their fault. It’s the evil [insert boogeyman here] who are to blame for everything.
These people, as a group, cannot be reached through normal means because they cannot be reasoned with. Not as long as Q media exists. Suggesting otherwise is almost as delusional as the Qs themselves are.
Enidigm
3316
Chasing after one or another conspiratorial movement is just chasing your tail, until you cut the cord on what’s creating those movements to begin with.
If your conclusion that unfettered access to information will just engender conspiracy theories, and you believe the right to that information is more important than the long term results, or if you can’t square this circle and figure out a way through the needs of individual rights and collective needs, than you believe that western civilization is doomed in the long run, and you’re just waiting for the barbarians at the gates to resolve with barbarism the dilemmas you fail to solve with reason.
This is a good point. I think the first step in deprogramming cultists is to separate them from the influence of the cult, right?
I think if you equate social media with electricity, then you need to unplug the screens for a bit.
Menzo
3319
Let me know when this happens. I’ve never tweeted in my life.
There are millions and millions of Americans who don’t even have an internet connection at home. Let’s not get hyperbolic here.
KevinC
3320
I was without power for several days straight this year after a powerful windstorm smashed through the state. Being without electricity for that long really sucked in a bunch of different ways. Not being able to access social media wasn’t even on my radar of things to give a shit about.
RichVR
3321
Yeah. No power means food going bad and no cooking because we have an electric stove. Last hurricane I caught myself thinking, No stove. But at least I can use the microwave… wait…
Timex
3322
Banning you from Twitter is not deciding where the limit of free speech is.
It’s deciding where the limit of speech, on the platform that they created and own, is.
They are not in any way limiting what you can say… they’re just saying you can’t say it in their house.
Menzo
3323
I live in a mid-sized tower apartment building, so I learned the somewhat hard way that no power also means no water (pumps bring the water up to me). I now have a stockpile of water bottles!
Menzo
3324
I’ll tell you what, if you read Maga World, it’s pretty clear that Twitter is straight fucked for banning Trump. Their stock has lost tens of billions of dollars since then! Parler is coming back! Twitter is over.
And then you look at a chart with context, and see that Twitter is still dramatically outperforming all the market indices as well as their FANG brethren. Yes, they’ve lost value, but they are doing fine.
Menzo
3326
Not sure if it was made clear, but Parler’s return is thanks to Russia. No shock.
Facebookers love them some Dan Bingo. Apparently.
Who doesn’t like canned ham?
Timex
3329
I’m not gonna say that Twitter is dead from banning Trump, but that line you got there in that graph? That is NOT what you want to see.
