Teiman
3375
He in Spain we don’t have Google News, because shit like that. Fuck all the copyright maximalist.
http://news.google.es/
reddirect here:
https://support.google.com/news/publisher-center/answer/9609687?hl=es
Timex
3376
This seems pretty nonsensical, as the obvious answer is for Google to just not include their site in its search results, which would kill the site. Not sure they’d even need to shut down search entirely in Australia… seems like they could just block austrailian site from showing up in the results (which would, of course, make search less useful for people there)
Menzo
3377
TRUST THE PLAN EVERYONE. Getting thrown off social media is a GOOD thing.
Nesrie
3378
I think we need to insist on listening to people who do not use The Matrix for the basis of their crazy ass ideas.
Menzo
3379
Yeah, fair point. The overlap between people who say “red pilled,” “virtue signaling” and “all lives matter” is a circle.
I just thought that the guy who runs Gab suggesting that some meaningful number of Facebook employees are suddenly becoming MAGA followers because they’re censoring that content is hilarious.
Nesrie
3380
Before COVID, before a white mob tried to take over the government and maybe even before Trump, there was a lot of talk about getting those Social Media scrubbers/moderators help for having to look and read at a lot of nasty stuff, especially since even law enforcement knows to keep an eye on and actual limit that kind of exposure. I had no idea what happened to that, but yeah there is no known link between moderating child porn and turning MAGA. The number of Christians who keep saying their content is being moderated… pretty much pure lie, but they keep saying it’s happening. Funny how all this moderation is going on and yet I keep seeing it.
RichVR
3381
In the Matrix, the red pill showed reality. In the asshole version it means, you believe our bullshit.
The Matrix always struck me as an odd film for alt-right types to take inspiration from. Yeah, I guess the ‘pill’ scene is an okay shorthand for seeing the world ‘as it really is,’ but even before the Wachowski sisters were openly trans and The-Matrix-as-trans-allegory became a mainstream reading of it, it was still a movie where nearly every white man was depicted as unequivocally evil (except multi-racial Keanu and bit-player Mouse).
It’s got a lot of the vibes they’re into, though: unique special magical savior of the world trope, tech nerd turned sexy punch messiah, giant gun fights cuz guns and violence are cool ways to solve problems, batshit insane pseudophilosophy…
Lantz
3384
These are the same people who identify with the Death Star.
The “red pill” terminology first found popularity in the MRA / Pick Up Artist community, which was basically a bunch of nerd-misogynists, before the more mainstream misogynists in the conspiracy theory minded right adopted it.
Looking at the PUA community, there’s a lot of leather-trenchcoat vibes so you can see the Matrix influences a lot more directly.
Ha ha – the funny thing is I’ve seen but I don’t remember the difference between the red and blue pill.
Anyway, give me the pill that gives me the delicious steak dinner. Unless you can promise me that the other one gives me crazy superpowers. See, they are both attractive!
Okay, that makes (a little) more sense. Probably best not to look for sense in this sort of thing with these sorts of people, though.
Some digging through the masses of weirdo stuff in the community seems to indicate the term red pill first gained popularity with a specific product, called Red Pill, sold by a guy called Vin Di Carlo, although apparently that wasn’t his real name.
And like most of these things, the original usage here was quite tame.
The red pill here was used to help people (i.e. young men) discover how traditional dating norms were holding them back.
Now I don’t think there is much controversial with that statement
(traditional dating as defined by "the man picks up the tab for everything and is generally being “nice” in an attempt to emotionally blackmail the woman into sex, or hope she’ll one day magically realise that he is the ‘one’ "
Or in other words, undoing Disney programming )
but like nearly everything in that movement, occasional glimpses of something useful spiral into, and feed into and get feed by some rather toxic stuff.
The guy who looks for advice in how to better present himself to women (posture, basic fashion, sorting your teeth out, becoming more interesting, being more conversational, having a set of values that you adhere to, being more assertive and not a wallflower, gaining a basic level of fitness, having more of an idea what you want to do with your life --these are all things the PUA community teaches, and yeah alot of that is self help 101!) Can very easily end up bitter at the (true or untrue, doesn’t much matter) perception that life is biased against men (custody battles, female rights etc) and from that it’s not hard to see bias in government etc.
Sure, the same way that Men’s Rights Activists are concerned with unequal outcomes for fathers in custody disputes.
Since you started with “digging through” stuff in the community, I’ll assume that you’re relatively new to those movements. If so, I’ll save you some time: the PUA “red pill” is basically “women aren’t actually people and don’t deserve the respect that people deserve, so it’s okay to view them primarily as non-cooperative sex dispensers, and use psychological manipulation to coerce them into cooperation”. It’s a fundamentally gross and misogynistic philosophy. They’re basically the flip side of incels.
There’s some basic self help and confidence building stuff buried in there, but people seeking that out would be better off looking literally anywhere else.
Not new as such. First brushed up against it when I was 18 or so, and very socially awkward.
Got what I wanted (some self confidence and a push to sort my life out - I think I got very lucky indeed in that the stuff I listened to was far more interested in making me a better person, as opposed to tearing down everyone else) and was moving away at 19 (because I got with my first proper girlfriend, so mission accomplished) and definitely done by age 21.
I am now 35.
The digging in was a bit of googling and dragging up memories.
I can agree with that. In my case, my journey led me to “Feel the fear and do it anyway” when I was in a very dark place, and since then I’ve just been on a steady upward spiral.
The self-help I indulge in now is from the likes of Mark Manson or Thomas Bevan.
Anyway, to tentatively link this conversation to the main thread, social media is almost the opposite of self help imho.
Ah, to be fair, 15+ years ago it was definitely in a nascent phase of development, and there was probably more good to be found at the time than there is now. There’s a core of conceptually interesting applied psychology there, just applied towards entirely unpleasant ends. For a while, it was teetering on the edge of respectability, albeit in a “its the early aughts, look how edgy we are” kind of way. There was even a reality show based around the subculture.
It’s hard to imagine that happening today. “America’s Next Top Well-Actually”.
I think I even saw a couple of episodes of that series.
I wonder what happened to Mystery.
He came up with the concept (or named it anyway) of the “neg,” which shows up in various movies :S.
I think once a few pioneers established this was a viable market, all sorts of charlatans moved in, and I think most of them just regurgitated people like Mystery and repackaged them or slight variants thereof.
