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We are, uh, not the core audience for Pinterest, but it’s pretty big with that audience. Typical user ad profile is an 18-45 female who is looking for home decor/projects, arts/crafts, fashion, beauty, and baby/kid stuff. It’s been a couple of years since I’ve seen data but as I recall they had better ad success metrics than most social media companies. Core users also feel positive about the experience of using it, which sounds dumb until you realize that basically everything social that’s similar size or bigger fails that test.

Is it worth $45B? Dunno, that seems a little high… but then again, Twitter’s market cap is $50B and I think Pinterest actually claims more global active users.

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If you need proof that Twitter at least elevates the far right through neglectful policies, and they could put a stop to it, here it is. Germany has strong laws against this twitter has to follow there, and they don’t have the problem.

(To be fair, if Twitter did such a thing in ROTW, folks would just leave the platform, which is why they don’t do it)

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On this, I know a few folks who use the main branch of that, and they’re all dunking on Trump and banning anything related to it from their own instances.

(The mastodon approach is kinda ineffective- as it usually devolves into a circular firing squad of recriminations over petty shit. If you find a spot that manages to stay out of the firing line though, it’s a great space to meet leftists doing cute and wholesome things without having to worry about fash stomping all over it, and with zero chance of going corporate due to a culture that dunks on anything capitalist, and Will Wheaton.)

What Trump’s folks are trying was tried earlier by Gab, and Gab gave up after no one wanted anything to do with them, and they got bored with shouting at themselves.

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They dunk on Wil?

Get a rope.

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Basically Will Wheaton made a slightly bad take about transfolk in a trans community, was told that it wasn’t cool, and didn’t take it that well.

It was minor, but Wil’s response and the whole fact that folks there had a community to get away from that stuff, led to a snowball. My impression of the whole thing was that he needed to go because of how he was acting , but he wasn’t a monster. We’ve had similar things happen here.

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Even the Wheaton fails Wheaton’s Law :(

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I had to google this because I didn’t believe it. Wil Wheaton got hit with a deez nuts joke by a trans person, blocked the person using the wrong block list plugin, and now he’s cancelled?

https://archive.md/PSnAQ

JFC. Wil Wheaton was right, get off these platforms. The only way to win is not to play.

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Kinda a friendly to Wil version of what happened.

Overreactions all around , including from Wil, but the overreactions were more understand from the community there, as they specifically wanted a safe space for themselves with good reasons, and they also wanted a non-corporate space for similar reasons.

Wil did need to get out of there, it wasn’t a space for him.

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TBF, it appears it was a several years ago. I’m pretty sure he’s no longer cancelled.

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Being effectively asked to leave a small social network is not cancelled.

Would it be cancelling if Tom banned one of us?

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That stuff about Wheaton is nuts… he seemingly did absolutely nothing wrong? The stuff in that article that’s criticizing him seems crazy.

Like… he endorsed Brianna Wu? Wasn’t Brianna Wu a darling of the left after gamergate? He blocked a person, without even knowing who they were? He was friends with Chris Hardwick? Tons of people in the gaming community were friends with Chris Hardwick.

I mean, what exactly did he do wrong?

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He used the WRONG BLOCKLIST Timex! He didn’t keep up with up-to-the-minute outrage situation and therefore got burned. I did a bit more digging on him on his website and it looks like he has 2 careers: Milking his Star Trek fame and being an Professional Ally. One of them is still paying him and the other just gets him in trouble.

It’s also hilarious how TERF gets thrown around in that blog post about Wheaton. “Randi Harper is a TERF” That’s news to me! Wasn’t she friends with Brianna Wu? Like Gamergate BFFs? Some comedian just did a bit about this… can’t remember who…

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That’s the thing, I’ve followed Wheaton for a while, although I guess I haven’t seen him in a while now.

He was always this super progressive pseudo-celebrity ally and professional nerd.

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That wasn’t it. It was being a jerk in general to a bunch of folks who weren’t going to have it and didn’t give a shit about his celebrity.

As for Brianna Wu, everyone thinks she’s a nutjob now. Also think she was accused of grifting as well. She’s like a Sinema who went loony too early.

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This was 3 years ago so I’ll take your word for it. This lengthy blog post full of grievances says all he did was use the wrong block list, then didn’t yell at someone when he was supposed to yell at someone. It’s so dumb. This is people looking to raise their own status by getting a hit in on a famous person. Classic Cancel Culture.

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I think this is a problem that a bunch of folks on the left have… you’re always just one misstep, or perceived misstep away from having them turn on you like rabid dogs.

They also said something about how women didn’t feel comfortable around him? Did Wheaton ever do anything to molest people? That seems… entirely out of character for him. It comes off as something akin to Trump’s claims of “people are saying…”

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To be fair the right has the same problem. Isn’t Flynn an intergalactic child predator now according to Q people? It’s almost as if extreme political ideologies attract unstable, unhappy people.

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Ya, this is probably right. I guess I am at the point where I just assume they’re all total crackpots.

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There was jerkiness all around. Folks didn’t want to give him a chance , and he didn’t seem interested in earning one.

Back then there was a strong push of getting the bad folks away so the place could remain safe. It worked, but at the cost of making sure the place never got too big. A price a lot of the folks there were perfectly fine with, as the whole setup isn’t designed to be commercialized.

You’re right about extreme ideologies attracting broken folks. There’s definitely a lot of folks on there I’d consider “broken”. There’s plenty of others who are awesome.

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I just find it hard to understand someone thinking that Wil Wheaton would be making a space “unsafe”.

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Journalist are making a poor job informing people what is really the problem with Facebook. I have talked with friends and family, and few people really knew the problem with Facebook was algorithm selecting fringe stories radicalizing people political positions to extremism.

My mother said she has immunity against propaganda, and was angry when I suggested she may have voted the neonazi party, so now I know she indeed voted for them.