Just noting that you’ve gone from “no money at all” to “renting enough server space and CPU to download and index a constantly refreshed copy of the entire world wide web”.

For a baseline, if you were to try to duplicate Google’s search capabilities, their index is over 100,000,000 gigabytes. Just storing that data on, say, Amazon’s S3 servers would cost $2,000,000/month, plus you would need to pay for whatever processing power and bandwidth would be needed to create, update and query the index.

Of course its true. What you’re saying is not only false, but it’s obviously false, on its face.
We know from observation that smaller companies are able to compete with Google, because Google spends billions of dollars on acquisitions of those smaller companies.

If Google had some insurmountable advantage in development, there would be no reason that they would be paying all this money to purchase all these other companies. Those companies are bought because they have developed something valuable, that Google didn’t.

Do you? Because what you’re saying doesn’t mesh with the reality of the industry.
You’re saying that it’s somehow not possible for someone else to code a better search algorithm than Google… I mean, that’s clearly nonsense on its face. How could you possibly think that no one else could do such a thing? Do you think that Google is somehow magic?

Algorithm development is not a mechanical process that you achieve through menial labor. Invention of new ideas is something which takes inspiration, and is accessible to anyone.

Google pays a ton of engineers to work on new ideas, so that when they come up with them, Google can benefit… but they by no means have a monopoly of innovative research. Tons of researchers outside of Google come up with all kinds of ideas better than the Google engineers, every day… and you see this manifested most clearly when Google acquires those other companies.

Who cares?
My success is not contingent upon some misguided notion that I must destroy Google or Amazon.

The argument that you are presenting about why no new technology companies can ever rise up, that it requires too much infrastructure, etc. is less true now than its ever been in the past.

As a small developer, I have access to infinitely more resources now than I’ve ever had. And tons of those resources are made available by the very companies you criticize. You’re saying things like, “You can never do this without huge server farms…” I have access to huge server farms. Nowadays, anyone can buy as much computing power as they want, without needing to make an immense up-front investment like we would have had to years ago. I’ve run my software on supercomputers that cost millions of dollars. I would never have had access to that kind of computing power in the past, and would never have been able to justify purchasing such hardware for the short term needs I had.

Not at all. The buyout aspect of this is just one of the reasons why your position is demonstrably wrong.

Yeah, and something new is going to come around the corner and enable whoever the next Google is.

You can try to break them up for those OTHER abuses, but the R&D spending itself is not an abuse. Again, to suggest otherwise is to suggest that a market leader is simply not allowed to compete any more.

Competition is not inherently anti-competitive. Anti-competition means that you’re doing something that prevents another company from competing… not simply competing against them.

If we were to use the analogy of racing, anti-competition means that I do something to hinder your ability to race. I damage your car or something. It doesn’t mean simply driving faster than you. Driving faster than you is what I’m supposed to be doing.

To be clear here, creating a better search ALGORITHM, which is what I said, does not require you to rent any computational power at all.

When Page and Brin developed PageRank, they were not billionaires backed by a mega-corporation. They were two researchers at Stanford. They simply had a better idea of how to solve the problem. And there is nothing about 1996 that made it uniquely enabling of such ideas.

Ok, the reality here is that there actually are competing search engines. Hell, there are folks here in this thread who say they’re just as good. So the idea that no one could possibly compete with them is clearly wrong.

But in terms of the numbers you are presenting here, again I gotta point out that these very companies are making such things infinitely more accessible than they’ve ever been before.

Sure, if you are actually talking about replicating Google’s entire search index, then yeah, you’re talking about needing to store 100PB of data, and renting that storage off of AWS would cost you a ton. It’s not free to actually execute what Google does.

But at the same time, it’s not impossible. This is how business has always been. You get investment for such things. The reality is that doing so today would be far easier than doing it in the past, where you would actually have to somehow purchase those petabytes of storage, all the underlying infrastructure, etc.

Enabling competition does not mean that anyone should be able to literally do anything that any business can do, for free. That’s clearly impossible to enable, unless you just destroy all businesses.

Just to get things back on track, if we want to say that Search, now that it’s one of the biggest industries in the world, is not trivially accessible to a new competitor… that’s fine. But that’s not because of anything Google is doing. It’s just because it’s one of the biggest businesses in the world now. I merely mentioned search because it’s what Google is known for, and they originally got into it with nothing more than a good idea. And the ability to create new ideas is not something which ended in the late 90’s.

Search is not one of the biggest industries in the world. Selling advertising against search is.

Well, Google’s got over 4.5 billion active monthly users of their search algorithm, so that would make me consider it one of the world’s biggest industries.

When the majority of the human population is using something, it’s a big industry.

And those users give them zero revenue. Show me a subscription based search engine with globally significant revenue and maybe I’d agree.

Well, sure, although I’d point out that the same goes for broadcast television or radio. While the consumers of that product aren’t paying the producers, I think most folks would consider them to still be industries.

Except there is cable TV, and OTT subscription TV, and PPV. And the broadcasters pay the production companies for content. There’s all sorts of revenue going around the industry that either doesn’t derive from selling ads, or is paid to people outside the advertising machinery.

The business of search, to the extent it is a business, is entirely an advertising selling business. And that’s the business in which Google and Facebook have dominant market positions that others seem unable to compete with.

What do you think would prohibit you from making an algorithm that’s better than Google’s current one?

Implementing it on a global scale would require investment, obviously. But creating the algorithm most certainly would not. And nothing about Google’s activity in this space is anti-competitive in this regard. It’s simply that you are talking about a very big job, indexing the entire internet and serving up access to that search engine.

Further, you were suggesting that you couldn’t possibly compete with Google R&D division. That’s clearly wrong. The problems that are being described with actually trying to beat Google in search are logistical elements of deploying an algorithm in such a massive way… but they are not things which are focused on the research elements of search.

Yeah, that’s why I specifically limited my statement to broadcast television and radio.

There was a time when that was the only type of television and radio there was. There was no direct payment between the consumers and the producers. It was entirely funded through advertising.

And yet I think most folks would still have considered it to be an industry.

Like I say, in broadcast TV, the broadcasters pay the production companies for content. That’s the industry that’s distinct from adverting. Google doesn’t (in search) pay for content, indeed it has strenuously fought efforts to make it do so.

But, sure, broadcast TV is also largely an advertising selling business. Antitrust law looks at broadcasters both on the advertising and the production side (and, in practice, from idiosyncratic political perspectives).

It also sells priority among search results for shopping-targeted searches, which is more closely aligned to the search function.

So if Google shut down their search engine tomorrow it would have no impact on their revenue?

But there was a time when the only content producers were the broadcasters themselves. Companies like NBC were actually making the content directly, that they then broadcast to users for no fee. The original industry model for television was very similar to that used for search today.

A company provides a free service, and then sells advertising to companies that it then shows to the users of that service.

I don’t think you can then say in that situation that only the advertising, not the service, is the industry.

Rules for the aristocracy and rules for the peasantry.

The social media giant said it will not allow users to like, reply, share or retweet the offending tweets, but instead will let users quote-tweet to allow ordinary users to express their opinions.

So they can’t retweet but they can quote-tweet. Can someone more familiar with Twitter explain the significance of this? I mean I use Twitter and all but I just… use it with no intention to study how it really works.

Trump replies are generally negative to him. Not that Ive read loads but when ive looked its usually a wave of scorn, mockery and criticism.

Trump likes, shares and RTs probably will affect his supporters more.

Either way, the existence of it and lol the phrase “world leaders” is just another huge embarrassment for Trump. Its a big baby bib of a solution.

Fucking hell, Facebooks ur-language Division had a breakthrough? Their me’s are reprogramming FB users at an astonishing rate.

btw I’m now a little more confident that Zuckerberg is going to be stopped by a legendary spy, superhero or team of renegades and not Warrens proposed Bellifacation.