Someone explain Twitch to me

I like how you assume there is any correlation between his Twitch account and his game account.

People watching Twitch can see his player name.

So how he’ll have a different name…? Why is that a problem?

He was banned?

It’s not like a regular person who can make up a fake name or use a new email or whatever. He’s literally broadcasting his existence. They’re going to catch him.

If he doesn’t stream it he can play all he likes, just like everyone else. Once he turns that stream on though, he’s announcing his breaking of the rules and they’ll drop the hammer on him. It would be akin to going into the forums of a game where you got banned and telling everyone who you are and your new account name. You’ll get banned again.

Does the EULA say he as a person is banned, or is his account is banned?

Edit - “The nature of the ban means Mr Kaye is not simply able to create a new Fortnite account, as it encompasses his network connection and the hardware upon which he plays.”

Sounds like bullshit to me. I would absolutely get a new “network connection and hardware” (and new account) and dare them to ban me again.

Probably a person since EULAs are generally treated like a contract. He breached the contract.
His account exists only to facilitate him using the service.

The section on cheating is the same as the section on selling illegal copies of the game or reverse engineer it. He is in breach of contract on a service they provide.

Companies view cheating as an attack on their services, which is accurate. Lots of games die because companies don’t deal with the cheaters. So by cheating he attempts to devalue their product.

And they would. So… have fun with that?

Taking the position that cheating in a multiplayer game isn’t a big deal is an interesting hill to die on, but go for it. You wont find many sympathetic players since nearly everyone who plays a multiplayer game, especially a competitive one wants cheaters banned forever. When companies ignore the problem they leave the game and trash said company’s reputation. Rightfully, imo.

Edit: And for apples to apples, cheating nearly killed PubG. Hell, it might have killed it, not many people play the game anymore. If Fortnite lets cheaters cheat… well Apex will enjoy the increase to their playerbase and the money I’m sure.

Personally if I’m playing a game and cheating happens, I’m probably done with that game forever. I might come back months later if people say they fixed it, but probably not. That’s lost revenue. I’m not alone.

A recent survey by security company Irdeto found that 60% of online games were negatively impacted by cheaters and 77% of players said they will stop playing if they think competitors are cheating.

Losing 3/4th of you playerbase is death for your game, probably your company and you’ll likely be unemployed soon. Or you know, you could just let them do it, who cares, right?

Dare them? You’ve seen these EULAs right? You have no rights. You have no recourse. All you can do is beg them and try and prove you shouldn’t be banned. I mean what are you going to do, take them to court. I mean that’s what your dare will get you, a day in court spending a lot of money to do it too.

I suppose if you made millions streaming it might, might, be worth it, but you’d probably want to have legal grounds to stand on other than you know I made a lot of money, I cheated, and now I have to do something else.

In this case, there is no doubt. He definitely cheated, not only did he admit to it…he streamed it.

I’m still baffled over that there are people here defending cheaters.

I’m still baffled people cheat. Why play a game if you’re always going to win?

I don’t even care about it in the slightest, but I’m kind of shocked that I haven’t seen any discussion about the fact that Faze is basically an esports organization. They have sponsored teams in multiple competitive games and that’s also a huge part of the problem here.

This kid might just be a streamer for them (don’t actually know, don’t really care), but a cheating scandal tarnishes their brand. Which makes what he did doubly stupid.

Cheating is not only a violation of Twitch ToS, and the game itself, but also not ok for such organizations as the one he was sponsored by.

There is no universe where him being banned is remotely surprising or unexpected. It is unfortunate that he is obviously young and didn’t consider the consequences, but they are obvious and expected and completely avoidable.

I’m baffled that people don’t seem to understand how an IP ban works.

Looks like someone never got IP banned from 4chan and had to change their IP!

IP bans don’t work. I would be disappointed if our gaming companies, in tech, are using those.

I do. Rebooting my router usually gets me a new IP address as they are dynamic and assigned, not fixed.

The Twitter post for it was better because you got to see nearly everyone on Earth drag them for it.

Edit: Holy shit they deleted the original Tweet and reposted it to remove all the negative responses.


That depends on your ISP. In the past it was very common to have static IP addresses for residential users, probably less so these days due to the shortage of available ipv4 addresses.

Most companies that run multiplayer where cheating might be an issue use some sort of hardware scan at this point as far as I know. So they’re banning the hardware not the IP.

This is basically the “affluenza” argument. He should be included in a special class of offenders because of who he is.

It was bullshit for Ethan Couch and it’s bullshit for this guy.