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So anyway, jumping straight into spoilers, I really liked the movie but my knowledge of the original series (and even the movies) is pretty weak. So I was curious how much of this was “whoo-hoo, alternate reality!” and how much was in line with the original. Like, I know I’ve heard you guys talk about Pike before, but I can’t remember much about him. Was there ever a Spock/Uhura romance? Was Chekov always good at video games? Was anything about the way this crew comes together the same as the original continuity other than who’s left flying the Enterprise by the end? Was that sort of thing ever really even addressed?

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Pike was the captain of the Enterprise in the original Star Trek Pilot, which was dumped and reshot.

Pike was captain, Spock was science officer, but Majel Barret was the First Officer. NBC junked that pilot and they shot a new one with Kirk as Captain, Spock as first officer (still also science officer I suppose), and Majel Barret became Nurse Chapel and the voice of the computer (and of course Gene Roddenberry’s wife).

Pike shows up in an episode of the show later, played by a different actor in heavy makeup (he’s been badly injured and is stuck in a high tech wheelchair.) Pike in the wheelchair at the end of the movie is a shout out to that, although movie Pike isn’t nearly as badly injured.

Was there ever a Spock/Uhura romance? Was Chekov always good at video games?

Nooo. Look, putting a black woman on a TV show at all during that period was kind of a big deal, especially one not playing a maid or something. Putting her into an interracial romance (interspecies, whatever)…nooo. There was one episode where…I can’t remember the plot, to be honest, but she kind of flirts with this black/african crew member on the ship, who I think is an illusion or a hallucination or something. And in another episode mind control aliens make Kirk and Uhura kiss (the kiss was cheated/faked with camera angles so that NBC could cover their asses if necessary), and that was a controversial big deal, but the producers just fell back on “They were being forced by aliens to do it against their will”. And in the evil Mirror Universe episode I think there’s some notion Evil Sulu is into Evil Uhura. And in the original series I think Nurse Chapel has a thing for Spock, but I’m not sure how much that was reciprocated.

To be honest I don’t really remember Chekov getting much development in the series. He was proud of being Russian, and he was proud and protective of Kirk and the Enterprise, but I don’t remember him having other notable qualities. Sulu being a fencer is a shout out to the original series, in an episode where a bunch of the crew get space drunk from some disease and run around acting wild, Sulu runs around shirtless with a sword, challenging people to duels and such. Oh, actually come to think of it, I think drunk Sulu grabs on Uhura in this episode too.

Was anything about the way this crew comes together the same as the original continuity other than who’s left flying the Enterprise by the end? Was that sort of thing ever really even addressed?

I can’t speak for comics and novels and whatnot, but I don’t think the show or the movies ever really address how the crew first comes together, no.

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Once Mr Scott drinks the Chekov under the table. And I’m pretty sure there was at least one funny scene with his thick Russian accent, which was duplicated in the movie.

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Chekov was suppose to do two things way back when- Be the young hipster- the first few episodes he is wearing a mop top wig…very Beatles. Back story is very close to what they show int he film but never explored…young phenom, a cross between kirk and spock. He is the backup Science officer, but in the command chain…

Things different than other treks:
Warp is like hyperspace- in other trek you can fight a warp- JJ went the route of SW- you are going in blind when you warp- hence the scene coming out of warp over Vulcan…in old trek they would have known what was going on there before getting there.
Phasers- no beam…more pew pew pew.
In space- it is quiet- and this is awesome. They used this so well, it was well,awesome.
One thing I noticed, and this may be because of the Kelvin incident- which I think was a 9/11 incident in this world- hence the Kelvin salt shakers and everyone knowing the story-this seemed to push Starfleet into a more openly military role. The fleet is off fighting somewhere, and a real military feel that was not present in the old timeline.
Vulcan-yeah didnt see that coming. My only fear is we now have Spock stories for the next two movies. Pine was the superior on the screen, and I want to ride along with the new Kirk who is very different that the shat, than I do with Spock, who is pretty Spock
Nice nod with the wheelchair.
I liked how Pike was a do-er and reminded me of old time line Kirk, a little older but just as confident and a bit cocky.
The difference between the Enterprise as the new ship of the line and the older ships was nice. Sort of a f-16 compared to an f-22. I like the new Enterprise- the Shuttlebay jammed full of ships, the function over form feel in the utility sections. The Engine room was odd, but it almost had an Alien feel.
I liked Nero- he is not a bad guy, just an obsessed on out for revenge on a galactic scale. Hell, he is a miner. the 'Comm on- Uh…Hello." Nice. Like it is a phone call…never mind all the exploding and death going on.
Uhura was great. Oddly the one I looked forward to- Simon Pegg was the only one I didn’t love.
Spock and Uhura…fascinating.
Kobyashi Maru- Totally Kirk. Makes no bones about the fact he already won.
Speaking of Bones- Karl Urban really nailed it. I hope there is a ton more of him in the next film. Hell I want a TV show.

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Good call on the 9-11/Kelvin connection. The salt shaker is way cooler now.

I absolutely loved Karl Urban as Bones. Every time he was on the screen, making the McCoy face, I smiled on the inside.

I don’t think Scotty was given enough screen time to really shine.

Also, Winona Ryder is still super hot, even in her old lady makeup, and I still have my highschool crush on her.

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Spock dies at the end of Khan!!!

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Wasn’t there always some kind of weird undercurrent of desire from Uhura towards Spock that was never reciprocated in the original series? Like it only came out in alternate reality episodes and such?

Maybe I’m just projecting.

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And in that episode, huge chunks of original pilot are used (possibly the entire thing) as flashbacks of a sort.

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It is shown as part of a trial- the images being beamed From Talos IV mysteriously.
They just aired a week or so ago the original pilot remastered, with spiffy new effects and all cleaned up. Pike was cool, but he was no Kirk.

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So, a question (and I’m assuming that if you’re reading this, you’ve already seen the film or don’t mind free discussion of OMG SPOILARZ):

Were the arrival of Nero from the future, and the consequent events, intended as a deliberate “forking” of the Star Trek universe? There was a short scene in which the crew discussed how this might lead to the creation of an alternate reality. It seemed to me that Spock Prime was from the timeline we remember, containing the original series and everything that followed.

I guess it doesn’t matter; I mean, just writing this reminds me of pointless discussions about “imaginary stories” taking place outside of comic book continuity–a silly notion, given that it’s all imaginary in the first place. It’s just funny to think that the movies, TNG, and everything else “didn’t happen”, in the sense that the future history can now be completely rewritten. :)

It’s also funny to think that “Enterprise”, of all things, may be the only bit that survived the reboot. :D

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Studiously avoiding looking at any of the text in this thread, I just had to reply to say that your spoiler-fu is amazing, right down to the mouseover trick. Big ups.

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Yes, it’s absolutely a deliberate fork or AU or multiverse or however you want to put it. They didn’t want to be bound by canon and they didn’t want to piss off hardcore fans by saying the Shatner/Nimoy version never existed or whatever.

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My only big beef about the movie was the huge jump in rank by Kirk from fresh cadet to captain of a flagship. It’s like someone just coming out of West Point, taking part in a major battle and being promoted to colonel.

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Well, he saved the Planet Earth. He does that a lot.

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I like the fact that since Nero drastically altered the time continuum, that it makes JJ Abrams is free to make any sort of sequel he wants without having to totally fit into the canon.

Good bye Vulcan. I was expecting some sort of last minute save. It certainly adds depth to Spock that he is among a handful of survivors. And speaking of Spock, as mentioned above, Uhura and Kirk did the first interracial kiss on television, and here she and Spock did an interspecies romance.

Oh, and ‘wictor, wictor’. lol :)

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So did Captain Picard and he never got promoted! Janeway survived the Delta quadrant and got promoted…

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Dude all that never happened now.

It’s all Kirk. (and Archer…)

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It totally happened in the Trek Prime universe.

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Isn’t there a secret division in Starfleet that prevents or cleans up time-space anomalies? So will there be a Star Trek version of Infinite Crisis where they try to clean up the timeline / alternative universes only to make a bigger mess?

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I guess this branch of the timeline never gets the Starfleet Time Police.