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Nope. In Wrath of Khan the ships are also Klingon.
I haven’t read the thread yet, but my main thing to say about this movie (I just saw it) is this:
Someone should invent a new category of Oscar for Simon Pegg. That man saved this movie from running off the rails not once, but twice. His delivery kept some of the worst parts of this movie going strong. “Best Lifeboat Actor”?
He has the kind of achievements that would give someone that smugness. If only they had give that cocksure nature to Kirk and made Spock’s struggle more inner-, I think it would have fit a little more with the past. One thing this proves, though, is that they are forging a new way forward and all those old characterizations are subject to modification.
You are right. My nerd card is yours. My brain misrememberated.
Actually, in MY time line, it WAS the Romulans who attacked in the Neutral Zone. What you see are the failed artifacts of Yet Another Series Reboot. I am the last of my kind. /sniff
I will be waiting for the hot young xenolinguist to come console me.
He has the kind of achievements that would give someone that smugness. If only they had give that cocksure nature to Kirk and made Spock’s struggle more inner-, I think it would have fit a little more with the past. One thing this proves, though, is that they are forging a new way forward and all those old characterizations are subject to modification.
Hugin
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I suspect what happened was this: In TOS and most of the early movies, Klingons were the Cold War Russia allegory, and so Kobayashi Maru was about an incursion into their neutral zone. But then Next Gen came along, we made up with the Klingons, we tangled with the Romulans a hell of a lot (RIP Andreas Katsulas), and in the minds of a lot of people “Neutral Zone” came to = “Romulan Neutral Zone”
the first neutral zone was between federation and romulan space as seen in balance of terror in tos
Does anyone have a theory for why the Federation felt Spock had to have enough “red matter” to stop like, a million supernovas?
Yes in TOS era there is actually 3 neutral zones- Klingon, Romulan and Tholian. Gorn are part of the Romulan Empire, so thier border is part of the Romulan neutral zone.
Geek off.
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Yes. But what I’m saying is that in TOS there was a lot of conflict with the Klingons, and very little interaction with Romulans. And in Next Gen there was lots of conflict with Romulans, and relatively little with Klingons. So there’s a generation of post-ToS Trek fans for whom “neutral zone” has mostly meant Romulans.
Cause it looks awesome.
Or wait, were we still really debating some of this shit?
And would the clack hole at the end not have been some a jillion times stronger than the one droplet one? I don’t know much about the pulling force that black holes have, so if someone would enlighten me. :)
dyadic
adj : of or relating to a dyad or based on two
Source: Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
Dyadic \Dy*ad"ic, a. [Gr. ?, fr. ? two.]
Pertaining to the number two; of two parts or elements.
I don’t understand what you mean.
Perhaps he meant didactic?
Also, my big issue with the Kobayashi Maru is that it fails by virtue of what it is. You can’t convey a fear of death in a fabricated environment. When was the last time you were scared for your life while playing a video game?
Yes, but for my part, I just recalled the exercise more from WoK and I thought Romulan Birds of Prey uncloaked to initiate the attack.
<technobabble> When the rare mineral decalithium is processed into red matter, one of its properties is that it’s less volatile in large amounts. </technobabble>
<technobabble> Red matter creates the black hole out of the surrounding matter, and therefore the strength is based on how much normal matter it interacts with. A planet provides plenty of matter, and therefore a stronger black hole, than a ship like Nero’s. The effect on the Enterprise was stronger only because it was closer than it was at Vulcan. </technobabble>
Kirk lost his Father and Spock his mother, to whom each of them was the more meaningful, idealized parent. Giving them each a new dead parent in the new timeline? They have the perfect couple of dead saint parents killed by the same enemy. It has the potential to make Kirk and Spock’s already made-for-each-other relationship a little too smooth and symmetrical in a hetero-lifemate way. This was the dyad to which I was referring.
Edit: A dyad (from Greek dýo, “two”) in sociology is a noun used to describe a group of two people. “Dyadic” is an adjective used to describe this type of communication/interaction. A dyad is the smallest possible social group and is being studied more and more. Wikipedia
Saw it last night, loved it. Saw it at Studio Movie Grill where me and my friends ordered a few overpriced pitchers of margaritas, which worked immensely well to take us all out of nitpicking mode. Drinking and action movies really are a good combo.
Anyway, can someone more up to speed on Star Trek canon tell me if the origin of Dr. McCoy’s nickname is ever explored in any other Trek stuff? I’d always assumed it was just because he was a doctor, but the basis given in this flick made me chuckle.
Finally saw it. It’s a very fun blockbuster but also very lame-brained. I think I’m ok with that though. I’m a tenacious Trek fan, but still gave up halfway through Voyager, so I don’t need another crappy Berman era Trek movie. This nuTrek is an absolute blast to watch, but not to think about. If we remove all the likeable characters we’re left with a truly horrible script featuring Red Doesn’t Matter, an Orbital Chandelier of Doom, and a mindmind montage. As a nerdy trekie I’m slightly offended by the Star Trek for mor^H^H^H Star Wars fans, but ultimately I can live with it and enjoy this movie.
I’m not too optimistic about the future of this supposed franchise revival. Where do you guys see this going? This movie worked because it could play with a lot of legacy matieral, it could rapid fire a lot of in-jokes, but it will forever be compared to the original. It could only work as more big brainless movies, but they’ve too neatly restorted order to Captain Kirk’s Enterprise. I thought they wasted a great opportunity to keep Captian Pike on for another movie and working through more of the struggle between Spock, Kirk and Bones. The movie simply doesn’t justify Kirk’s laurels at the end. In short they need to do a lot more altering of the timeline. They need to kill off main characters. Just fucking re-do it all, otherwise it’s going to get sucked right into a rehash blackhole.
As a TV show, a reduced production would be simply no different than old Trek. The Trek movies generally sucked for storytelling. It was the tv shows were you got good intelligent real sci-fi writing (at least a few seasons worth,) and nuTrek offers nothing to help facilitate new story telling. I think they need another reboot for the franchise as a whole. I don’t know why the suits at Paramount hate Vulcans so much, but if they can’t write for them (which Enterprise proved,) then they need to introduce something new that they can write about. Unless they plan on killing off all the Klingons in the next movie (maybe with a disease so that Bones can get some decent screen time,) in further steps to wipe the slate clean for a tv show, this movie hasn’t opened up much of a long term future, imo.
This movie was great. Reviews were highly optimistic, it’s even rated higher than TDK on RottenTomatoes [ someone please correct me on this, if I am wrong].
Which leads me to believe that the sequel, no matter how great it’s going to be, the reviewers will burn it to hell. It’s sad that we can somewhat make such predictions, says something about [most] reviewing practices adopted recently.
