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I agree its not nearly as good as the hype. Not nearly as good as people in general seem to be gushing about.

However, better than any of TNG movies, worse than all TOS movies except 5. That’s generally where I stand.

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Also the Nokia phone in the antique car. Another pointless scene BTW the movie would have done well to shed.

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Since it’s ultimately the Scandinavian countries that eventually bring the entire world under unified government control it does make some sense, actually.

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Loved it. As Case said, “It was like rediscovering Star Trek all over again.” It does some damage to Trek of old. I love DS9 but I’m not sure if I can watch is again knowning that it has been written out of existance. Not that matters. I’m ready for this new trek.

I don’t have any nits about the movie save one. The constant effect of blinding whiteness. When its on the screen I was unable to look at anything else. Ofcouse I’m talking about Leonard Nimoy’s teeth. MY GOD they are pure white…

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You obvious haven’t heard about the New Budweiser debacle of 2213.

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It doesn’t write any of the existing Trek stuff out of existence.

They specifically pointed out that the change in the timeline created an alternate universe, not an altered timeline. So Federation Prime still exists, complete with the horror of Kazons, Seven of Nine, and Shades of Gray.

We just now launched Federation 2. Where George Kirk died as Jim Kirk was born, Vulcan was destroyed, and Superman’s cousin is Power Girl instead of Supergirl.

(In fact, a couple of geeky friends of mine were disappointed that it was postulated as an alternate universe, because “now they can’t feel invested in the characters anymore.” NERDS!)

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Fuck man, how about Michelob Clear in 2198?

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I liked it a lot, in spite of some nitpicks.

This bothered me a little, but consider that Starfleet just lot a whole bunch of officers and personnel to Nero, and is probably stretched pretty thin at the end of the film. Additionally, I’m fairly certain that the Enterprise from ToS was not the Federation flagship. Picard’s Enterprise (D) was, and they may have made the ToS Enterprise the flagship in one of the films, but in the timeframe in which this movie is set, I don’t think that it is.

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I think this is less a coincidence than everyone here seems to think. CodgerSpock clearly knew about the Starfleet outpost, and was probably trying to get there. At the same time, YoungSpock probably dumped Kirk in that vicinity on purpose. He just wanted to get rid of him, after all, not kill him.

Pike doesn’t become his commanding officer by chance. Kirk stows away on his ship.

  • Kirk decides to enroll in a military service academy on eight hours notice. He shows up, they let him in.

He didn’t just walk in cold and ask to join–Pike recruited him.

  • Vulcan is apparently three minutes away from Earth at warp speed. But every other ship in the Federation fleet is apparently days away somewhere?

Vulcan did seem oddly close, but then again, why couldn’t it be? Perhaps it’s in a nearby system. That would certainly explain why the Vulcans were the first aliens that humanity encountered. And they clearly pulled in all of the available ships to respond to the crisis at Vulcan, so it makes sense that the ones that weren’t there were too far away. That’s why they weren’t there.

  • That guy is driving a mining ship (!) laden with disruptors and photon torpedoes.

Ah, Romulans.

  • Why does bad guy have to drill a hole to the center of a planet before he can drop in a black hole. Does he not understand how black holes work?

He doesn’t have a black hole. He has “red matter,” which is never explicitly explained. It’s a bit of a MacGuffin, but Star Trek is traditionally full of them, and this film really just had the one, so there’s that. At least they didn’t have to ignite it by reconfiguring the deflector array to emit a tachyon burst.

This one did bother me, actually. But not enough to ruin the film, which as I said, I really enjoyed.

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They were rioting in the streets for that one.

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Don’t really know how to multi-quote properly, so I’ll just respond in bold to things I need to and delete the rest :). . . to be fair, a lot of what I am about to say was already posted elsewhere in this thread.

Pedantry for the win!

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Of course, now that they’ve go the origin story out of the way, that’s when things get tough.

And it’s going to be Klingons for the next one. It’s going to have to be.

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I liked it! Lots of fun. I was amazed they blew up Vulcan and killed Amanda.

My nitpicks, cuz you’ve got to have them:

Goddamn it, you’ve got to have more than 2 people in the chain of command, someone always has to sit in the captain’s chair, and you all can’t decide to leave the ship at the same time. That’s what being the captain means. Instead of you and your buddy being ninjas, only one of you go, and you take someone else with you. How about 30 guys? How about that security guy? What’s he doing?

I also did not like the brewery. It was just “industrial stuff”, with no focus.

It looked like the secondary hulls of the Enterprise and Kelvin were just full of shuttlecraft.

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If 800 people had to abandon ship of the USS Kelvin, I sure hope they had a shitload of shuttlecrafts.

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Brought over from the spoilers-free thread because I am an ass

By this you mean have Stewart play a shiny plastic version of himself. Seriously, for those scenes, I think they just modeled Stewart in the DOOM 3 engine and pretended they’d run a fancy filter on actual footage =/

That said, I think it was here that someone mentioned that, strictly speaking, the timeline is so irrecoverably altered by these events that there’s no real guarantee of what any of the people in other series will be doing in their new lives; it’s a stretch to think that the original series crew ended up together in relatively the same configuration (excepting the Uhura/Spock romance). . . I don’t necessarily know if future scriptwriters/showrunners (if this ends up in a new ST series from Paramount) would want to A) risk not mining this cast/time period for all its worth and B) the incredible suspension of disbelief necessary to accept the TNG crew also getting together.

Which isn’t to say that they wouldn’t–I mean, Spock was in that cave ;)

But another thing that I think might limit a full on TNG-reboot would be the fact that if ST09 does reinvigorate the series as a whole and justify launching a TV series or two in the next few years, there’s no guarantee the showrunners there would also want to retread previously gone over ground. TOS is pretty iconic, and I think that Abrams made a good choice in bringing them back together, and letting that crew handle the sort of 5 year mission that TOS put together might be fun in a kitschy, let’s show how far scifi has come sort of way.

But TNG? Despite the fact that it’s my favorite of the ST series doesn’t mean that the new writers would really, really want to recreate all those characters and go back over all of their interpersonal relationships and emotional foibles and character timelines in the new, alternate timeline. Why not let new, interesting crews, who are more distinctly the products of a Vulcan-free timeline, handle this new universe?

Of course, they could also just remake all of the previously done series (excepting Enterprise, for timeline reasons) and utterly ignore the logic I’ve slapped into this post.

Or, they could also run a TV show set after DS9/Voyager and explore post-Dominion War stuff, like, say a Romulan resurgance, a final solution to the Borg problem, or any number of other series loose ends (hell, why not make Shatner shut up by finally filming one of his damned novels about how KirkPrime gets resurrected and continues fighting the good fight in the 23rd/4th/9th century or whatever it is he’s on about these days), but set in the original timeline. . . it might be interesting to see films exploring Abrams’ timeline and its repurcussions while a series played to the original universe’s strengths, too.

Just my random-ass, sleeping-pill addled contributions.

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Hum. I must admit most of it was pretty entertaining. I also remember the vulcan dude saying something about calculations of spock return or sumthin.

That said, if he was not mad, which he obviously had become, he would have figured out…Ah vulcan still alive…I have imba tech ship, lets go give vulcan the upper hand, but instead chose to sit and play solitaire for 25 years.

All this aside, fun movie.

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That was a lot of text for something I wrote as an off the cuff snark. :)

Honestly, I was never interested in Star Trek before. Not Tos, not TNG, not DS9 and not enterprise. I caught a couple of episode, saw one of the movies involving time travel and whales and was generally amused by the whole affair but I really have no vested interest in the entire concept. Nerd Blasphemy, I know, but hey, I had Babylon 5 and Star Wars to keep me company.

That being said, JJ Abrams version definitely did spark an interest into the world, or at least this revitalized version of the world. I have a feeling trying to figure out the whole continuity is not unlike someone who has never read X-men, jumping in right after the movie. That’s where I’m at, and I’m good there.

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Loved it but one really bit nitpick:

As shown, the only thing needed to save Earth was to have one tiny ship shoot the chain holding the drill (like Spock did). Vulcan (and Earth for that matter) couldn’t muster up anything at all to just shoot the chain?

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But Kirk doesn’t give a shit about regulations and protocol. Spock acknowledges that the captain is not supposed to leave the ship with the first officer, but then said “I’m not going to quote regulations at you, because I know that you’ll just ignore them.” I appreciated that they went to the effort to explain the reasoning for why Kirk always left the ship with the away team in ToS. Additionally, in spite of all the things that they re-imagined, I think they were making an effort to stay true to the characters from the original show. Kirk would never sit on the bridge and watch his officers do all the dirty work.

I also did not like the brewery. It was just “industrial stuff”, with no focus.

I may be the lone voice of dissent here, but I loved the look of main engineering. I liked that they made it look more like the bowels of a real naval vessel, rather than just another room with computer terminals (or, in Next Gen, a room with computer terminals and a warp core).

It looked like the secondary hulls of the Enterprise and Kelvin were just full of shuttlecraft.

This made a lot of sense to me, too. The shows have always focused on the bridge crew, and I think that they unrealistically provided the ships with just enough equipment to let the bridge crew do their thing, without acknowledging that the other ship’s personnel probably don’t just sit around and twiddle their thumbs all the time. When a starship is at a planet, there would likely be dozens of different away missions, from all of the various departments on the ship. Additionally, a ship with a crew of hundreds needs a way to get personnel on and off the ship, and one or two shuttlecraft (plus six or seven transport pads) don’t really cut it.

The film’s Enterprise is more like an amphibious command ship, much like the modern day USS Blue Ridge. I think this makes a lot more sense, really.

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It was a nice, cheesy action flick. I don’t really care about the inconsistencies with the rest of the Star Trek-verse, but the internal inconsistencies were kind of jarring.

Let’s face it, that drill was pretty flimsy. A stray shot from the Enterprise could have destroyed it. A deliberate shot would have been even better during the battle than skydiving onto it.

How does Nero’s ship travel time through a black hole in one moment, and get crushed by it two hours later?

Why even bother firing on something that is being sucked into a black hole? It’s like spitting on a nuclear explosion.

How did young Spock know there was a black hole device that COULD be stolen, and that it WAS stolen before, and how he could get it? This was all before old Spock was revealed.

… and a bunch of other small things.

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This is less about Kirk’s habits than simple naval tradition. There is always someone in command, the ship just doesn’t float around while the captain and first officer go to bang alien babes.