5111

I completely trust Dave Swofford’s professionalism - there is zero chance he would lie, so he either is telling the truth, or he is telling the truth as he understands it.

5112

I agree. I don’t believe that anyone is suggesting that David lied. As usual, he’s going with whatever info was presented to him by CIG.

5113

Elsewhere, someone said it best

They didn’t accuse him of lying. They said the individual got a refund for $330 and not $45k. They did not say the >corporate card account was not refunded $45k.

Imagine if you were a corporate card holder and bought your company a whole bunch of defective binders from an >office supply company. You return them for a refund of $1000.

While you are at the store refunding them, you also get a refund for a stapler that doesn’t work that you purchased >personally, on your personal card for $12.

Then you tweet - hey I just got a refund for $1000 on my corporate card and the manager sees the tweet and checks >his records. He then tweets out that the individual that tweeted only got a refund for $12, not $1000 alleged previously.

Doesn’t make the original tweet less true.

Secondly, only original transaction records would be definitive proof and only one person has those. Other people can >vouch, but who wants the death threats (from anonymous internetters) and threatened legal action (from CIG for >tortious interference)that would result from doing so.

Not many people.

5114

This was one of the larger confirmed refunds. $11K

5115

The person who made the original claim has now deleted their reddit account. That’s a bit… suspicious. The ‘proof’ video is gone too.

At the same time, why would anyone go through the trouble to fake such a thing?

5116

Are you not familiar with the internet, sir?

5117

And especially reddit.

5118

It’s certainly a great way to make people believe you lied about something.

5119

Like Charlatan said: the whole POINT of the Internet is to get people to pay attention to you by making elaborate hoaxes.

5120

Agreed.

5121

Or that a conspiracy of hackers and terrorists is trying SUPPRESS THE TRUTH

5122

The $45K Star Citizen Refund Debacle

ps: It was an elaborate hoax

5123

Unfair to say Swofford is Sean Spicer when he didn’t actually lie in this instance, accidentally or otherwise. Spicer is notorious for making trivially disproven lies, and to do so knowingly. Unless Swofford purposefully lied previously, of course.

5124

Very good point, but I wasn’t going for the “lying” part; but I see how that could be misconstrued. I will edit it accordingly.

5125

The fight over Star Citizen’s production delay is getting dirty

5126

I’ve backed some kickstarters where it is past the one year late point. With very few exceptions, they tend to be scams and/or abandoned/failed projects. I couldn’t imagine being at the three year point and not even having a rough date on when it will be complete.

5127

Not fair to bundle in abandoned/failed projects with outright scams. The failures are expected given that it’s a kickstarter.

5128

$7K whale divests due to feature creep, anti-consumer practices and everything in between. He made a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crFonNn6Vkc

5129

I guess if there’s one thing we can learn from this thread, it’s that Universal Combat was a scam.

5130