1865

God why can’t people just enjoy a show…

Anyways, an amazing finale. Production values off the charts that equal any of the new Trek movies. Story wise they did a solid job of how to deal with everything Discovery and Burngham have been apart of the last two seasons. Be interesting to see what S3 does.

Seeing Spock and Pike on the rebuilt Big E was great. I’d vote for putting the Section 31 show in the deep freeze and doing a Pike led Enterprise show. They could even have it take place before this season when they where on their own 5 year mission.

1866

Some quotes from producers about the future of the show and the spinoffs.

https://trekmovie.com/2019/04/19/alex-kurtzman-confirms-star-trek-discovery-season-3-destination-hears-fans-on-pike-series/

1867

So did anyone notice all the rubble on the Enterprise and the Discovery? Seems like the Federation builds all their ships out of stone or something. Groovy.

1868

That was a really great season, I loved it overall. I was a tad bit disappointed by the last episode, because I felt they dragged out the action scenes too much.

We didn’t need to see five continuous minutes of hopelessness with both ships getting attacked. The audience is smart, they know that the ships are not going to be destroyed in this situation, so dragging it out for five minutes becomes a drag. Then later, I thought the Georgio fight went on way too long too. Luckily, they found a way to make it interesting with the shifting gravity. They needed to cut out the first few minutes of that fight and just cut straight to the gravity shifting section.

It’s pretty funny that each of the four Short Treks ended up being so important this season. Tilly’s, Saru’s, and even the one that takes place in a far future Discovery. I think the only one that wasn’t relevant to this season was the Mudd one, but that one was relevant this week to our Star Trek: TOS ReWatch this week since we saw the episode “I, Mudd”, which also involved Mudd and androids.

Right around the Daedulus Project episode, I started thinking about that far future Short Trek, and I knew that somehow the Discovery would end up there, but the question was how.

Yeah, I absolutely loved the lighting you’re talking about. They used it again and again in the second half of the season, and usually for pretty dramatic scenes.

One of my favorite things this season was a subject that they didn’t explore overtly, but it was constantly there: Captain Pike is a super nice guy. That might make him very likeable, but it also makes him a kind of meek Captain. When he’s paired with someone like Spock, that’s perfect for him because Spock doesn’t speak out of turn and is very respectful. But paired with a strong personality like Michael Burnam, who is so headstrong and assertive? She was constantly interrupting him during meetings this season, and overriding his input. And he would let it go. I kept waiting for it to become a problem, and near the end of the season she kind of overtly contradicted him. It was severely disrespectful and unacceptable to any Captain who is concerned about not looking weak. But Pike let it go. I was just… surprised, and kind of impressed at the same time. I’ve never seen a Captain like him in Starfleet before, and I really liked it.

But he definitely needs to have less people like Michael Burnham on his staff.

1869

I was very impressed with their casting of the iconic characters of Spock and Pike. Both were actors very good and felt true to their original characters. Mount took a very important character who was really underdeveloped as far as the original series goes and fleshed him out into a full formed person. There is a growing movement to petition CBS to do a Trek series around the early Enterprise crew. Now that they have moved Discovery into the future, there is room for such a series. Regarding the Discovery and its crew, it looks like they will be staying in the future timeline. They will likely have to work out some way of getting Giorgio back to the past, after all she has a Section 31 series to star in but Discovery and the rest of the remaining crew is likely there for the duration of the series. And the early buzz is that the Federation may no longer exist in that future. At least not in a recognizable form.

1870

I liked season 2 much better then 1 and I am also in the camp that desperately wants more Pike.
A season 3 of Discovery in a future without a recognizable federation sounds a lot like Voyager, time travel edition, to me.

1871

You seem to forget that Spock didn’t mention his half brother until that movie that suddenly introduced him. :)

Anyway, as for this episode, I’m not going to write a lot other than I hated it, it was all style over substance. The battle was more like a Star Trek movie. I mainly hated the torpedo stuff, the completely fan-servicing retcon and the time-travel and suit stuff.

I like the gravity corridor bit, even if it made no sense as we’d previously seen the nano-bot Leyland be superhumanly strong.

Whilst season 1 was consistently ‘good’, season 2 kept swinging from high to low.

I’m hoping season 3, which is free to do whatever it wants now that Discovery has been retconned out of existence, will be good.

1872

I’m surprised to hear that there will be a Season 3. They tied up all loose ends by the end of Season 2, just like they did with season 1. They seem to write each Season finale as if it’s a series finale. I guess that philosophy is a good one in a TV climate where that could certainly become true, you never know.

1873

Why wouldn’t there be a season 3. It’s CBS All Accesses most popular show. This season ending was to let the new show runners get clear of having to endlessly deal with tying into ToS canon. They are free to do their own thing from now on.

1874

It’s a pretty exciting prospect. We finally get to see what the future holds in the Star Trek universe, presumably several generations after Picard and his upcoming show.

1875

In terms of production value, the final episode surely was firing from all cylinders. That said, the quality is good across all other episodes as well and it never felt cheap. (I love The Expanse, but its vfx aren’t on the same level.)

I liked the second season a lot better than the first one. The writers had a better grip on the characters, and Pike was a good addition. I’m looking forward to what they can do with season 3 now that the events don’t need to be tied into what we know anymore.

While I did like the finale overall, it also had a few clunkers. YMMV.

The end of the admiral’s arc: The torpedo premise was just a bit too conveniant/contrived. If you want to write her out, there could have been tons of ways that aren’t headscratchers. Some that don’t involve the two highest ranking officers on the ship trying to diffuse some thing together as big battle rages on. (And yeah, after the torpedo’s destructive potential was so gravely described, Pike sticks calmly around to watch is explode from the other side of a door. I know it’s blast door, but it doesn’t mean it or the structure around it are fully indestructable.) Also, couldn’t the whole problem be solved with, I dunno, a frickin’ piece of string? And why is the manual mechanism to close a blast door outside the structure it should protect? Or at least on both sides? I know this seems nitpicky, but if you make stuff like this crucial to a character’s arc, prepare for it to be questioned.

First time in the show that I was happy to see the Klingons! And when the chancellor wiped off her blood and laughed, it was a return to the good ol’ Klingons we know - the ones that aren’t just angry, mopey and sulky. So, that was a nice moment. Sadly, it was accompanied with Saru’s sister showing up which was mostly a big eye-roll moment for me. The federation had no other species to send help? And was it just Kelpians in those ships or did the Bahul fully decide to end their isolation stance?

Glad someone gave me a subtle heads-up to watch those short episodes because otherwise the inclusion of the princess would have been oh-so confusing. I didn’t even know that those are available on Netflix, too, after reading about how CBS had apparently asked for so much money that NF had refused to pick them up. There was never any hint of them being added there. And spent quite a bit of time until I actually located the trailer section mentioned above. The hell.

1876

I like the way they engaged the Poochie Protocol to tidy up any loose ends.

We should delete the thread. Discovery? Never happened.

1877

So I’ve not seen it yet, but I don’t care about spoilers, so…did they really get sent 950 years into a Federation-less future?

1878

Yes, though we don’t yet know what kind of future it is. We know there was no sentient life 950 years later in the future they were trying to prevent, but now that they prevented that particular catastrophe, we don’t know what kind of future awaits them 950 years later. Maybe there is still a Federation, maybe there isn’t. We will have to wait until Season 3 to find out.

1879

Well alrighty then. Bold move, I’ll grant them that. Can I just watch the finale, or do I have to slog through the whole season, do y’all think?

1880

I’m biased, but I think you should watch the season.

1881

Gah, fine, I’ll fit it into all the free time I have.

1882

Its not a slog and its worth it alone for the performance of Anson Mount as Christopher Pike.

1883

I honestly think you’ll like Pike. He’s just so friendly, a massive contrast from season 1.

1884

Yeah, I saw the first episode of season 2, and liked him and Tig Nataro more than ANYONE in the rest of the cast save for Doug Jones (whom I’ll never stop adoring in any capacity).