Please check your math, sir: That would be 5,000,000 people in the Sith phantom zone, not 500,000. And this is all explained in the movie:
- The New Republic public transit system is really great. Hourly shuttles from Coruscant to the Secret Sith Base, only 10 galactic standard credits each way.
- The Sith have a really efficient cafeteria system. Feeding 5 million staff daily was like falling off a gundark.
- Everyone knows that the best way to built Star Destroyers is underground. That’s just science!
I know this comes straight from George Lucas, but I hate the whole concept of “the Force tries to balance itself.” Why bother even trying to evil, if your new Light-Side republic will just be destroyed by the uber-powerful Sith Lord that gets created in response??
I maintain that this trilogy would have been better off if they had treated it like the Marvel movies, instead of like a standalone trilogy. Here’s my proposed sequence of what they should have done:
Episode 7
standalone Poe movie
Episode 8
standalone Finn movie
Episode 9
standalone Rey movie
Give these characters room to breathe, and the ability to branch off into their own storylines! So much wasted potential.
Oh, and next time: Plan out the trilogy in advance.
JonRowe
1957
The finger on the monkey’s paw closes.
Can we not make more marvel movies. They are bad and formulaic in their own way.
I feel like if they would have just made them more like, good, it would have worked out. I don’t think each of those characters need a standalone movie.
Also, nice catch on my pre-coffee math. Missed a decimal point there.
I am sure the line about “extra recruiting” will work for the extra 4.5 million soldiers they need.
Fuck, Lucas originally used cloning as the explanation for a huge quick build up of troops. They could have just conscripted them.
Literally my favorite thing on the internet this week. And the Walter White Mario Kart video was really good.
Hard disagree. Enjoyable modern mythology that actually takes time to delve into the characters. Enjoyed Ant-Man in Civil War? You can watch his solo movie and find out more about him. Didn’t get enough of the Wanda and Vision relationship? Go more in-depth in WandaVision. You can dip your toe or just jump in.
I just think that a trilogy limits how much you can develop the characters. Even in the Original Trilogy, Han Solo basically peaked in Empire and didn’t have any character progression in Jedi. The trilogy was about Luke and Vader, and the new trilogy was about Rey and Kylo. Everyone else got pushed out, but it would have been nice if they had more breathing room.
Telefrog
1960
Just to throw more fuel on the fire…
The “Duel of the Fates” script leaked online in January 2020, revealing a far different film than what Abrams crafted with the polarizing “The Rise of Skywalker” (there was no Palpatine, for starters). Whereas Abrams was widely panned for sidelining characters like John Boyega’s Finn and Kelly Marie Tran’s Rose, Trevorrow’s script gave these characters their own adventure as the two set out to lead a Stormtrooper rebellion against the First Order. This storyline brought Finn’s arc full circle, as he started out in “The Force Awakens” as a defected Stormtrooper.
“I can’t read that one because I’d be heartbroken,” Boyega said. “I was… I had a sit down with Colin, and I gotta tell you that was one of the best ‘Star Wars’ meetings I’ve ever had because it felt like two nerds who were like, ‘Yesssss! That’s what we want to see!’”
“I saw the [concept] art,” Boyega continued, “Stormtrooper rebellion, I’m like… that stuff was cool, and hopefully Lucasfilm will give him an opportunity down the line to work on something else cause I’m sure they would love to collaborate with him again in any capacity.”
My cynical take (not specific to this story, but in general) is that John Boyega will never stop telling anyone who will listen just how done he is with Star Wars.
The more charitable take is that the poor guy will never stop being asked about Star Wars.
But either way I do not care.
JonRowe
1962
Yeah, that definitely sounds like a better movie, especially for Finn and Rose. Actually giving them (him particularly) an ending to his story.
spiffy
1963
I think this is a trend for most comic book sci fi type stuff: at some point, directors and execs realized most people don’t care about the details, especially in goofy flicks, and so just hand waved the necessity of credible logistics to just keep the plot going and allow whatever character needed to talk to the other to happen any old way. See the penultimate Potter film, where half of it is the heroes plodding slowly across the moors, vs [the prequel!] Fantastic Beasts, where characters glibly ‘apparate’ with trek-like accuracy along streets and within moving buses five times within a single conversation.
I don’t think they got it wrong, most people don’t care about the means as much as the end… but the law of unintended consequences gives us movies that don’t resonate because the worlds they exist in don’t make even a bit of sense, and can’t possibly sink in at such a pace. I’ve seen Bladerunner 2049 only once, and the slow exploration of it’s surroundings are still tangible in my memory; Abrams Trek? It’s a blurry mishmash, other than the one shot of the Enterprise being built in a cornfield… (sigh. Abrams really does nothing good).
I’ve said this before, but the personal teleporter than Abrams put in Star Trek was the stupidest thing in that movie, And this is a movie where the Enterprise is first revealed emerging from under the ocean of an alien planet, miracle blood that no one cares about at the end of the movie even though it cures death, and numerous other stupid shit.
But the personal teleporter let Khan transport himself from Starfleet HQ on Earth to Kronos. If you can literally teleport yourself across the galaxy with a device that you can carry, WHY THE FUCK IS ANYONE BOTHERING WITH STARSHIPS? You’re goddamn Q at that point.
This is classic JJ Abrams stupidity. “It’s cool, and I won’t even think for a second on how it utterly breaks the storytelling universe.”
stusser
1965
That sounds like a much better movie. Focus on ordinary people standing up for a better future, not being led around by space wizards behind the scenes. Can’t effectuate change without the people.
God, I hated the movie we got so very much. At least it was better than 8. It’s crazy how Disney fucked it all up so badly, after a promising start with 7.
edited because I’m bad at roman numerals
They call me 490 ‘cuz I’m always making this face XD
Well that was dumb of me. Correcting now, thanks.
Lol I didn’t realise you had made that. Cool.
