Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order - EA, Respawn

I put it on easy, I aint got time for hard combat. That’s for 14 year olds who aren’t really into girls (or guys) yet.

Poked in here due to boredom and happened on a discussion of mocap and actors’ likenesses being used in games. Surely 2018’s Detroit: Become Human is the apex for this stuff so far, judging by the videos of it I have watched. As far as I know the actors in the original The Last of Us don’t look like their characters, although the same year saw Beyond: Two Souls, which did have its actors mocapped in (at least the two leads), although (I haven’t watched any videos of it, it doesn’t really interest me) I would imagine the five years between it and Detroit saw some serious improvements in the technique.

It’s pretty funny/interesting watching this happen. I remember (not all that long ago!) when the idea was that eventually computer-generated actors might replace real people in movies, and instead now flesh and blood actors are invading games!

Sure you’re not supposed to be in the Cyberpunk thread?

I am, yes. Scroll up a ways.

For real. @krayzkrok turn the difficulty down and you will have a much better time.

I take exception to this. Fallen Order’s combat is much more enjoyable than Dark Souls. I hate how slow and ponderous DS is, how you can see the enemy winding up and you want to block but you can’t because you’re either out of stamina or there’s 2ms left in your attack animation so you just have to die. (Or you can’t see the enemy winding up because, hey, its attack patterns are completely random.)

I also never understood the attraction of having to google how to beat every boss. (Edit - and mini boss… and some trash…)

I think I’ve died more to a single boss in DS3 than I did in the entire game of FO. Maybe not, but it certainly feels like it.

This sounds a lot more like DS than FO. DS is punishing. It’s a meme. “You Died.” FO is fun. Even when you fall to your death in FO they just pop you back up on the ledge with a small health hit.

I did Easy combat cause I sucked at it.

I put it on easy. Getting two hit by just about everything got tiresome after a while.

I didn’t really love this either (but liked it well enough). I picked it up because I heard it was Star Wars - Dark Souls, which holy crap that sounds great! I ended up really liking the set-piece moments (like the intro and when you’re driving the AT-AT) and not enjoying the moment to moment play. Most of the combat felt trivial with periodic intense spikes in difficulty that came out of nowhere.

The main character’s combat animations feel really flat to me, lacking any sort of weight or power. In particular, all the dual-sided saber animations just look like someone randomly swinging a stick without actually trying to hurt anyone. My biggest beef with the Dark Souls comparison is the level design. It’s just sort of boring, doesn’t add much to the combat encounters, and feels guided, no real feeling of exploration. Which is even worse due to the progression issues Ultrazen mentioned above. If progression isn’t going to be an interesting mechanical part of the experience, I’d have preferred something even more linear, with more set-pieces and less backtracking.

There was enough cool stuff that I’m hoping they do a sequel, though. I think the team taking a second stab at what worked could turn into something great. I don’t regret playing it, but it wasn’t what I was expecting.

I’ve been really enjoying this one the last couple of weeks. I definitely found that I like the combat more when making more use of parries over dodging, and with liberal use of force powers and special moves – agree that it feels a bit flat at first before you’ve unlocked a lot of them. Playing on hard, it feels about right, in that some encounters take 5-10 tries, but I can feel myself improving as I learn them.

I agree that chests feel pointless since I don’t care about the cosmetic options, but I still get the same sense of wanting to poke around everywhere because of the force echoes giving experience as well as bits of story, as well as the occasional health/force/stimpack upgrades.

I got a bit frustrated with that slide when I was trying to time the slow to when the fan was in the right position, but it got a lot easier once I started slowing it whenever I was getting close, and then angling my jump to wherever the opening happened to be.

More importantly, all the environmental obstacles are super forgiving because they just cost you ~10% health and put you back at the start to try again, so even if you have to try something 5 times, it’s just a minor setback.

You’re talking about the abandoned base near the crash site on Zeffo, right? Don’t you only have to cross that on the way back, after you’ve already explored the whole area, so it doesn’t matter if you die? Also, you can totally just jump down and kill the miniboss before you go into that area so you don’t have to worry about it.

You dropped down into the miniboss arena and explored the tunnels leading away from there, right? I remember that area definitely counted as a secret and had a force or health upgrade (in addition to the bonus from killing the miniboss). But yes, it’s an optional area off the critical path.

Parrying is way more important than dodging. You should be doing that more.

Finished this up last night. Liked it quite a bit overall. Remarkably well rounded game, in that the combat, exploration, puzzles, and story were each individually around B+/A- level – good but not exemplary – and they were mixed well enough to keep things from getting boring.

I stayed on Jedi Master difficulty all the way through, and it felt right. I could get killed when being sloppy or learning a new enemy type, but I always had the tools to avoid being overwhelmed. Came close to turning it down on the final boss, but managed to prevail with the barest sliver of remaining health after a dozen-odd tries, so I’m glad I stuck it out.

I would count this as a solid, enjoyable 7.5. except the ending which makes a better starwars plot than anything Disney put out so far.

How is the game on Xbox these days? I remember reading about some glitches and frame rate roughness when it first released, but that it was patched quite a bit since then.

I played on Xbox back around release and I don’t remember any serious problems. But I probably don’t notice frame rate slowness unless it gets really bad.

There were definitely some noticeable framerate drops, but nothing too severe. Don’t recall any particular glitches.

This game is really a lot of fun. I’m absolutely terrible at the combat, but enjoy using the force to push people off the copious amount of ledges.

The puzzles are crazy awesome, and I like having to return to places after I gain new powers. And the environments! Zeffo is amazing - it just keeps going and going and going. The verticality is so refreshing.

It isn’t as punishing as most Souls games either.

My main complaints so far:

  • You go through this effort to explore and open a box, but you just get some lightsaber component that you will never actually see up close. Same thing with the ugly ponchos
  • Loading times are long, and there have been a few areas where my xbox fan sounds like a jet engine and I get stuttering
  • I just generally suck at combat

I liked the game overall but found combat annoying allot of the time especially boss fights. The parrying frankly didn’t ever make sense to me or feel consistent. I just used dodging far more and that’s not what a Jedi should be doing.

This is one game I am looking forward to playing when I get my Xbox Series X for the load times and for the frame rate boost - I stopped playing after a few hours on the Xbox One X because of these issues.