You mean younglings.
I don’t like them either, although it’s one of the best thematic soundtrack pieces in the entire series, but they’re still there!
I still feel bad for not feeling horrified enough at that scene. They just didn’t give me much to work with to mourn those younglings properly.
No we didn’t. We saw him march slowly into the Jedi temple, then we saw him turn on his lightsaber in front of a kid. We got about 2 seconds of blurry holo-video Yoda found later in the temple with Anakin fighting and presumably killing someone.
The only people evil Anakin killed on screen in the prequel were separatist bosses.
So how literal are you requiring for this space fantasy series to be? I didn’t see Luke and Leia come out of their mother either. There was some screaming and presumed pushing but the camera shifts and then there are babies. Am I to question whether or not it happened because I didn’t get to see under the sheets or do you think that was good enough?
I’ll refer you back to what @mono said:
Which was in a discussion of Rogue One’s Vader finale. I take that to mean “fans of Darth Vader who previously had to use their imagination to see why he was feared throughout the galaxy finally saw a dynamic, merciless, and powerful Vader demonstrate his abilities on screen.”
Uhh. Most folks don’t want to see kids killed. I don’t think anyone’s questioning whether it ‘really happened’. No one’s crying fake news.
Bad-ass, psycho Vader at the end of Rogue One was awesome. Of course I didn’t care about the random rebel flunkies getting killed by him. I didn’t care about ANYONE in Rogue One. The movie didn’t earn my compassion for a single character. Super fun 90 seconds there though, contrasting the stiff, uptight, broody Vader we’d always seen onscreen.
My point is you don’t have to use your imagination. We KNOW he slaughtered children. These are not R-rated movies. We’re not going to see the kids slaughtered. It’s implied. The entire rebellion seems to know what happened to all the Jedi too.
That’s not what i meant at all. His descent was so unbelievable that the emotional tug that should have occurred in that scene just didn’t happen. I didn’t feel some great Jedi fall into darkness and the blood bath of the kids ensued. I was still thinking, wait his stalkerish behavior he calls love and his fear that came out of nowhere led to this… whaat?
I understand that. What you’re missing is that @mono and people like him appreciate Rogue One specifically because it showed them Vader doing the stuff they always imagined.
Killing kids is evil. It’s not cool. Rogue One showed a cool badass Vader.
Democratic Socialists? :P
I’m not missing the point here. I didn’t feel strongly about the scene either way. You have one person who wanted to see it, you have another who thinks it was just fan service and out of place. I think it’s completely unnecessary to know why Vader is feared. This sums up the Star Wars fandom pretty nicely though. They can never please everyone… ever.
I see no reason why seeing it somehow makes it realer. At the same time, I wasn’t bothered it was there. Rogue One was a fine movie. I enjoyed it, but I wasn’t hugely invested in the characters so much as their goals. This new trilogy or whatever it is; I’m sold on the characters. I want to know about them. I go to see more about them. I personally don’t need anymore explanation on the force, or the darkside of the force, or the mechanics of space… I want to see them do their stuff. I guess that just makes me more forgiving on any of the other stuff. I like what they’re doing with the people on the screen, and I am just hoping if anyone shifts, they’ll make these shifts more believable than they did with Anakin. So far with Kylo, they’re doing pretty good in that area.
You don’t tell strongly about it, but you had to belabor the point for the past few posts?
I like you Nesrie, but sometimes it seems you get caught up in your own arguments and you become really difficult just to “win”. @mono made a simple statement that was explaining why he liked a particular scene in a movie, which obviously (at least to me) hinged on the fact that the scene in question actually depicted a bit of fan wish fulfillment. Rather than clearly making the argument against that for thematic reasons, you cited scenes from other movies that were literally the reason why fans say they’ve never gotten the Vader action they wanted until now. Then you doubled down!
Whew!
I don’t feel strongly about the scene itself. I do feel strongly that seeing more is unnecessary. There is a difference.
Let me put it another way, the more I’ve seen of Darth Vader since the original trilogy, the weaker the character has become for me. Maybe you can stop thinking about every thing as some sort of race you have to win and just try to focus on understanding where I am coming from. It’s not about winning.
Aka, leave Dart Vader alone and let’s move on. That’s what I would like to see.
I’m being mean to @mono here because he’s reacting precisely as the moment was constructed to make him react. Look at how awesome the space nazi is, whilst killing the rebellion scum. Mmmm. Space nazi power. Awesome.
Great! Why not say that right away instead going down the boondoggle of killing younglings?
What do you mean? Why do you think I think the more we see of Vader the less solid and good character he is/was? Those freaking prequels for one, and that’s one of the most notable scenes from it. It’s ridiculous that he turns like that and goes from oh gosh I could lose her to let’s kill them all, and I’ll start with the kids first. Exactly how did that make Vader better?
Great idea.
But I had fun with that sequence and I don’t care!
I mean Vader killed kids, but that wouldn’t make most people afraid of him. Creeped out maybe.
The Vader at the end of Rogue One was cool to see because you understand why people don’t want to mess with him. Also they made him still a badass even using his whole “stiff as a statue” fighting style instead of all the hopping around crap you see in the prequels.
At the end of the day it was fan service, but they did it pretty well and kept it consistent with the original trilogy as far as his mobility and the like.
Rogue One is my favorite after the original trilogy, and easily better than the two new saga movies.
Also if you listen to the fight at the end where he tosses the one guy up onto the ceiling and the other against a wall, the THUD they both make gives sense to the immense level of force power he was putting out.
At no point in the new trilogy will Kylo Ren be even 1/10th as evil bad ass as Vader.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re simply a dullard who doesn’t understand that conflating someone enjoying the depiction of an iconic space opera villain as being susceptible to Nazi power fantasies shows more about yourself than it does anyone else.