Star Wars: The Old Republic

Murbella · 2011-12-10T09:25:13.000Z

Like me, they might have become tired of wow (after playing since release)
Like me, they might laugh at the idea of a panda expansion.
Like me, they might not be happy with blizzard’s recent insanity and past actions (making all of the classes the same instead of balancing them).

I don’t think the two fan bases will entirely mesh though. I think wow will appeal to people who prefer open world experiences more and swtor will appeal to people who like smaller worlds with more depth. Swtor is targeted more squarely at people like me i think. People who like single player rpgs more than mmorpgs because they have more depth, but also play mmorpgs at times.

MichaelD · 2011-12-10T09:32:09.000Z

short-lived:

How you think, Star Wars: The Old Republic can to attract the fans of WoW (not taking into account the fans of Star Wars, who play in WoW at now)?

Is that supposed to parse? I need more coffee. And an aspirin.

Jason_Townsend · 2011-12-10T09:41:49.000Z

Aki:

Has anybody had any success getting the game client to pre-load? I’ve been able to download the Setup.exe but won’t finish extracting… it gets almost all the way through the extracting progress bar and then just vanishes, leaving no trace of itself that I can see in task manager.

I didn’t have any problems. You’ve downloaded the .exe successfully, and then the extract failure is when you run it? I assume you’ve tried downloading the .exe again and it keeps happening?

ibdoomed · 2011-12-10T09:45:38.000Z

Michael Fortson:

Is that supposed to parse? I need more coffee. And an aspirin.

I’ve had 4 cups and I still don’t understand it.

Aki · 2011-12-10T09:49:31.000Z

Jason Townsend:

I didn’t have any problems. You’ve downloaded the .exe successfully, and then the extract failure is when you run it? I assume you’ve tried downloading the .exe again and it keeps happening?

Yes… I think it’s related to the Windows User Account Control that pop up right at the end to ask me if I want to allow the installer to make changes to my computer. I click yes and the installer just vanishes.

Brettmcd · 2011-12-10T09:50:34.000Z

Murbella:

Like me, they might have become tired of wow (after playing since release)
Like me, they might laugh at the idea of a panda expansion.
Like me, they might not be happy with blizzard’s recent insanity and past actions (making all of the classes the same instead of balancing them).

I don’t think the two fan bases will entirely mesh though. I think wow will appeal to people who prefer open world experiences more and swtor will appeal to people who like smaller worlds with more depth. Swtor is targeted more squarely at people like me i think. People who like single player rpgs more than mmorpgs because they have more depth, but also play mmorpgs at times.

I wonder how long those people who prefer single player rpgs will pay a monthly fee though. That will be the true test of SWTOR, how long it can keep players.

short-lived · 2011-12-10T09:57:57.000Z

I’ve had 4 cups and I still don’t understand it.

I mean, that the fans of Star Wars (who play in WoW) probably will play in Star Wars: The Old Republic instead WoW. Can Star Wars: The Old Republic to attract not fans the Star Wars?

short-lived · 2011-12-10T09:58:32.000Z

I’ve had 4 cups and I still don’t understand it.

I mean, that the fans of Star Wars (who play in WoW) probably will play in Star Wars: The Old Republic instead WoW. Can Star Wars: The Old Republic to attract not fans the Star Wars?

Murbella · 2011-12-10T10:00:15.000Z

Brettmcd:

I wonder how long those people who prefer single player rpgs will pay a monthly fee though. That will be the true test of SWTOR, how long it can keep players.

Yes, this is indeed the question.

Obviously it costs significantly more to make meaningful content with voice overs than it does to make typical mmorpg content.

The gamble seems to be that people will play all of the classes, or at least more than one, in order to see their stories.

My guess is i will not be playing swtor ultra long term as they will likely not be able to create content that fast, but i can easily see myself playing through at least a few classes to max level, if not all of them before i reach that danger point.

Jason_Townsend · 2011-12-10T10:00:51.000Z

Aki:

Yes… I think it’s related to the Windows User Account Control that pop up right at the end to ask me if I want to allow the installer to make changes to my computer. I click yes and the installer just vanishes.

Try temporarily turning the UAC settings down maybe. I never had problems of that sort but I do get the W7 equivalent of the UAC controls popping up to ask permission every damn time I run the SWTOR launcher/patcher… I wish the stupid thing would just ask me to make a permanent exception for that program. Maybe I should try flagging it as run-as-admin or something.

Aki · 2011-12-10T10:04:28.000Z

Jason Townsend:

Try temporarily turning the UAC settings down maybe. I never had problems of that sort but I do get the W7 equivalent of the UAC controls popping up to ask permission every damn time I run the SWTOR launcher/patcher… I wish the stupid thing would just ask me to make a permanent exception for that program. Maybe I should try flagging it as run-as-admin or something.

Turning off UAC did the trick… this is the first game install I’ve ever had to do that for… pretty annoying that Bioware wouldn’t have caught and resolved this issue since I can’t imagine a very high percentage of their target audience is going to be willing or able to disable their UAC in order to get the launcher/installer to work.

Jason_Townsend · 2011-12-10T10:07:01.000Z

I dunno, I hadn’t heard of the issue, but then I don’t frequent the official forums.

Aki · 2011-12-10T10:12:04.000Z

anyhow, thanks for the help!

Jason_Townsend · 2011-12-10T10:14:21.000Z

Glad it worked. Incidentally, the facebook page for the game said guild server assignments are being sent out Monday.

Also, there’s OST music on youtube and elsewhere. The John-Williams-meets-Vaughn-Williams in the quieter ambient parts of the Coruscant theme isn’t half bad.

Charlatan · 2011-12-10T10:43:42.000Z

Aki:

Yes… I think it’s related to the Windows User Account Control that pop up right at the end to ask me if I want to allow the installer to make changes to my computer. I click yes and the installer just vanishes.

I’ve re-installed the client and have updated it too, so you’re definitely having issues. Maybe you should check to see if the installer has left a process behind that’s blocking things? If you click yes to the UAC stuff it should install fine (that’s what I did).

Of course right now as I post this you probably can’t log in because the login server is down for maintenance (BioWare is the maintainence-est company I know - or maybe it’s SWTOR - they must have 3 hour maintenances every other day).

short-lived:

I mean, that the fans of Star Wars (who play in WoW) probably will play in Star Wars: The Old Republic instead WoW. Can Star Wars: The Old Republic to attract not fans the Star Wars?

I agree with what I think you said: which is that SWTOR will pull all the Star Wars fans away from WoW. Pretty sure that will happen. Will they stay, though? I would guess probably. If you’re a Star Wars fan who’s happy with WoW and go to SWTOR you’d probably be happy to stay there, since the games aren’t terribly different.

Jason_Townsend · 2011-12-10T10:50:21.000Z

Decent writeup on the different types of healing and how they work. The specific language is for the Operative, Mercenary and Sorcerer, but the mirror classes have mirrored mechanics.

walTer · 2011-12-10T10:58:09.000Z

I never got very deep into the beta so I never really was able to figure this one out- maybe someone can for me.

If you chose Cyborg, are there actually devices that you can attach and use or was that just part of the description to be the basis for the racial bonus they have?

Jason_Townsend · 2011-12-10T11:06:50.000Z

It’s just a “race,” for game purposes. Upside being there might be incidental dialogue about how you’re a horrible cyborg, downside being no non-human cyborg PCs (yet).

Murbella · 2011-12-10T11:46:46.000Z

I don’t think there are any numbers differences based on races.

I am pretty sure the “racial abilities” you get are just social abilities. The sith purebloods ability which punishes their companion sounds funny though.

Nice healing guide Jason. I was actually planning to make a healing bounty hunter to go along with my tanking Juggernaut, but everyone said healing bounty hunter were horrible. That guide kind of makes me want to play the operative instead though as i liked the old school wow druid hot healing.

Looking more at it, the force healer still sounds WAY better than the other two healers in basically every way…

Jason_Townsend · 2011-12-10T11:51:55.000Z

I’m thinking I’ll be JK on my first alt. Nolan North’s Jedi Consular v/o was a bit too blandly goodie-goodie.

EDIT: The lack of a “low mana = low mana regen” resource system points clearly to Sage/Sorc being the burst healer. If that isn’t offset by anything they’ll probably also be the premier healers, but even in WoW the whole “priests are the real healers” thing was often kind of dubious as the game evolved.