Star Wars: The Old Republic

Bill_Dungsroman · 2011-12-14T10:53:26.000Z

Some of you people clearly have no idea how new MMOs get launched.

Nephrinn · 2011-12-14T11:11:10.000Z

Got my invite a few hours ago and have been happily playing. Registered on October 1st, so big shock to get in today. :D

Mike_Cathcart · 2011-12-14T11:22:59.000Z

Nephrinn:

Got my invite a few hours ago and have been happily playing. Registered on October 1st, so big shock to get in today. :D

Yeah, I think a really large percentage of the preorders happened in July so once they got through that the dates started moving faster. There will probably be another slowdown when they get to late November because of that big beta weekend, but I’d be surprised if everyone didn’t have access by the weekend.

Bill Dungsroman:

Some of you people clearly have no idea how new MMOs get launched.

Bill, this is bullshit. BioWare is punishing lower income groups and destroying our civil rights and my cousin got in yesterday and he didn’t even preorder until tomorrow and now he has something that I want and I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW and you and your fraud company with their lies are the ones who clearly have no idea how new MMOs get launched because I was in the beta for Ultima Online and Dark Age of Camelot and BW just wanted people to give them money up front so they could screw them over so I promise you that when I get into the game I am going to play it to 50 but I am not going to be happy about that because of this fail launch that said five days in the advertising the words “FIVE DAYS” were in there, Bill, so what am I supposed to do now WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO NOW?

AlanQ · 2011-12-14T11:23:28.000Z

I have a quick question for those that have played this. I have never really enjoyed an MMO, but I did like KOTOR and Mass Effect. Is this game more like an MMO or a bioware RPG? Do you have to grind at all, and what are the quests like?

Rasputin · 2011-12-14T11:24:35.000Z

It is a Bioware RPG when you’re talking to people about quests, etc. When you play the game to do anything, it’s WoW.

AlanQ · 2011-12-14T11:25:29.000Z

Rasputin:

It is a Bioware RPG when you’re talking to people about quests, etc. When you play the game to do anything, it’s WoW.

Gross. Thanks for the heads up!

Black_Isis · 2011-12-14T11:26:26.000Z

AlexB:

I have a quick question for those that have played this. I have never really enjoyed an MMO, but I did like KOTOR and Mass Effect. Is this game more like an MMO or a bioware RPG? Do you have to grind at all, and what are the quests like?

Wow, I answered this question yesterday. Exactly this question in this thread. :P

Basically, at least for me, it was a lot more like KotOR with some WoW-esque MMO tropes stuck in than vice versa. The storylines were fairly strong, the cooperative missions and conversations were a lot of fun and added a ton to the immersion of the game, and the grinding was minimal (I played up to about level 15 on two characters). The grinding that did exist was mostly for bonus missions you didn’t need to complete.

If you like KotOR and Mass Effect, and you can tolerate a little WoW leaking into it, I would say that your 60 bucks will be well spent for the first month at the very least.

Black_Isis · 2011-12-14T11:28:17.000Z

Rasputin:

It is a Bioware RPG when you’re talking to people about quests, etc. When you play the game to do anything, it’s WoW.

I’m not sure what that even means. What are you playing the game for if not the quests, etc?

idrisz · 2011-12-14T11:29:45.000Z

Black Isis:

I’m not sure what that even means. What are you playing the game for if not the quests, etc?

he means actual gameplay, like shooting, looting, grouping…

Mike_Cathcart · 2011-12-14T11:29:58.000Z

Black Isis:

I’m not sure what that even means. What are you playing the game for if not the quests, etc?

It means the part when you get the quest and when you turn it in are like KOTOR. Everything else is like WoW.

Marcin · 2011-12-14T11:31:58.000Z

Black Isis:

I’m not sure what that even means. What are you playing the game for if not the quests, etc?

Oh, come on. Single player games tend to have a lot less timesinking built in. Fast travel options that aren’t stupid (Dromond Kass disconnected taxis, I’m looking at you), enemies that don’t stand around in convenient clusters of three, bear asses quests tend to be minimal, and of course no spawn camping.

Totally with Rasputin on this one from my time in the beta. I’ll still be in on this when it goes F2P, but there’s no hiding the generic MMO mechanics.

Black_Isis · 2011-12-14T11:32:10.000Z

Mmmmkay…I dunno, combat and everything still felt very much like a BioWare game to me. Maybe more Dragon Age (which I guess was more MMOey than other BioWare games), but still…I didn’t find it distracting or anything. And I do not like the WoW-style MMOs as a rule (the only MMO I’ve really played other than TOR is Eve, which is completely different). I guess the question is, what don’t you like about WoW-esque MMOs?

Edit: Marcin makes some good points, but frankly I don’t mind some of that stuff. I like playing MMOs and RPGs to feel like I’m exploring a virtual world, so being able to teleport all over and just go from fight to fight to fight to quest giver to fight to whatever seems…lame to me. And if you think “enemies standing around in clusters of three” doesn’t happen in single-player games evidently missed large parts of KotOR and Dragon Age (admittedly, probably the worst parts of both). I dunno, maybe I’ll change my tune in a month or two, but during the beta I really enjoyed the RPG parts enough to overlook the annoying MMO tropes.

stusser · 2011-12-14T11:32:40.000Z

I didn’t read the whole thread, so it may have been posted, but you need to watch this video. There’s swearing at the end that might be NSFW.

Tyjenks · 2011-12-14T11:35:29.000Z

Marcin:

I’ll still be in on this when it goes F2P, but there’s no hiding the generic MMO mechanics.

I am beginning to wonder if it will become a development practice to build up to a launch, advertise the game like crazy to move units and get subscriptions for a few years and then move to F2P forever when subscribers decline to a certain point. If we are not there already.

@stusser: That clip is awesome. Mr. Cathcart brought it to my attention earlier today.

Erik_J · 2011-12-14T11:36:56.000Z

stusser:

I didn’t read the whole thread, so it may have been posted, but you need to watch this video. There’s swearing at the end that might be NSFW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2szTEHgqZXY

NSFW due to language and ample man-boob.

Mike_Cathcart · 2011-12-14T11:38:27.000Z

Erik J.:

NSFW due to language and ample man-boob.

Spoiler alert.

Rasputin · 2011-12-14T11:39:29.000Z

Black Isis:

Mmmmkay…I dunno, combat and everything still felt very much like a BioWare game to me. Maybe more Dragon Age (which I guess was more MMOey than other BioWare games), but still…I didn’t find it distracting or anything. And I do not like the WoW-style MMOs as a rule (the only MMO I’ve really played other than TOR is Eve, which is completely different). I guess the question is, what don’t you like about WoW-esque MMOs?

Since you haven’t played WoW before, let me tell you: the game play is exactly like WoW.

rei · 2011-12-14T11:39:56.000Z

Black Isis:

Wow, I answered this question yesterday. Exactly this question in this thread. :P

Basically, at least for me, it was a lot more like KotOR with some WoW-esque MMO tropes stuck in than vice versa. The storylines were fairly strong, the cooperative missions and conversations were a lot of fun and added a ton to the immersion of the game, and the grinding was minimal (I played up to about level 15 on two characters). The grinding that did exist was mostly for bonus missions you didn’t need to complete.

If you like KotOR and Mass Effect, and you can tolerate a little WoW leaking into it, I would say that your 60 bucks will be well spent for the first month at the very least.

It’s questionable if it’s worth $60+$15/month afterwards.

Erik_J · 2011-12-14T11:41:19.000Z

Mike Cathcart:

Spoiler alert.

Perhaps, but I think it’s fair for those people who may be at work to know they get a little man-titty regardless of watching the video with headphones on.

idrisz · 2011-12-14T11:41:27.000Z

Basically, at least for me, it was a lot more like KotOR with some WoW-esque MMO tropes stuck in than vice versa.

wait if you never played wow because, how do you know SWTOR contain WoW-esque elements?