1641

As seen on Gaf,

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Evidently a load of Canadian beta invites went out.

1642

I have applied to the Tatooine Royal Navy with my Steam username: touchmonkey

1643

I guess Jedi Counselor was a more civilized term for a class name than Force Monk.

1644

Dunno if you played KOTOR 1, but they had 3 Jedi sub-classes with focuses on combat (guardian) casting (consular) and skills (sentinel), with associated lightsaber colours and RP roles. (The consular’s was “mediation”)

I’m not entirely sure why they went with consular (adjective) and not, say, consul. Not that consular is a bad way to describe someone the jedi delegate with “proconsular” authority to resolve disputes, but… Anyhow, they’re even pronouncing it differently - con-su-LAR - so I guess it’s like those generic car names like “Integra” that just look like adjectives.

1645

They had the same 3 sub-classes for KOTOR 2.

The damn thing in the trailer is still a monk, and nothing like those from KOTOR.
Looks like a duck, acts like a duck, plays like a duck…quack.

I guess they went with consular because Palpatine refused to give up chancellor without murdering some of their babies, or something.

1646

Eh, we pretty much know what the gameplay is, and Sage-subclass is closer to a KOTOR consular than a monk. Heals, buffs, TK nuking, etc. The shadow-subclass is basically new and probably more of a mirror-class to the Sith Assassin than anything. I’d describe it as more roguelike than monk-like, given the stealth + DPS predominance.

1647

Executive is the dude that organize things. And Executor is the dude with the axe that cut heads in medieval castles.

Theres some deep meaning on this, that Is lost to me. Maybe “Executor” looks bad, and Executive looks nice.

Oh, I feel bad I posted only half the battle betwen Obi-wan and Anakin.

Heres how it end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCyZ2P9bCA

1648

That would be an executioner. An executor is simply someone who carries something out or is responsible for executing a task. Darth Vader’s ship is named Executor because he is the right hand of the Emperor and accomplishes the purest form of the Empire’s will, not because he executes people.

1649

Good one Matt :D

Thanks for the correction.

1650

You could’ve just read the definition you linked to…

1651

Jesus Christ, Tieman. English isn’t your first language. That’s OK. I doubt anyone can convince you to stop trying to be clever while using it but for fuck’s sake never again attempt to school anyone over it. It’s fucking embarrassing.

1652

Well, noone was talking about executives/utors in the thread, so he may actually have been commenting on the consular vs. consul, Japanese-car-that-almost-sounds-like-a-positive-adjective type of neologism, thinking that Executor (in the movies) was a weird way of saying executive.

Which, in truth, it kind of was. I’ll certainly give it to them, “executor of imperial policy” isn’t quite archaic, but it’s an unusual word choice certainly. 99 times out of 100 in North American English, executor is only used in the context of someone taking care of a last will and testament.

1653

I was not schooling anyone. Sorry about that.
I was just making a theory why the game use consular and not consul. But this is the internet, and misunderstanding happends.

1654

The game uses “consular” because previous Star Wars RPGs, both computer and PnP, have used Jedi Consular as a character class. It’s possible this originates from dialogue in the original film, in which Captain Antilles protests to Darth Vader that “this is a consular ship.” Doesn’t make a whole lot of grammatical sense, but maybe the guy naming the classes had never heard the word outside of Star Wars before.

1655

I’ll have to admit, I was rather confused about the Jedi Consulars myself. I kept on thinking it was Jedi Counselor (as in marriage counselor, guidance counselor, or Counselor Troi in Star Trek). In a lot of ways counselor makes more sense given that, as Jason pointed out, consular is an adjective not a noun.

I wonder if it really was supposed to be Counselor no Consular and Bioware just screwed it up and left it.

Counselor: (1) a person who gives advice and counsel, (2) one that gives advice in law and manages cases for clients in court, (3) one who has supervisory duties at a summer camp

Consul: (1) one of two chief magistrates of the Roman Republic, (2) one of three chief magistrates of the French Republic, (3) an official appointed by a government to reside in a foreign country to represent the commercial interests of citizens of the appointing country

(care of Merriam Webster)

From what I can tell of the Jedi Consular’s role, it seems to fit the definitions for Counselor better than those for Consul. Particularly when one is trying to distinguish the Consular’s role from that of a Jedi Knight/Guardian.

[Edit]

Okay, now that makes sense. I’ll bet that’s where it came from, of course in that context it is an adjective.

I still think Counselor would make more sense than Consular.

1656

Well, it’s a case of nouning a quasi-appropriate adjective, and SF&F universes do often use slightly fiddled real world titles and ranks.

It just grates a tiny bit hearing it pronounced “con-sul-ARR.”

1657

It’s really, truly irrelevant. There’s an extremely brief window where someone might refer to you as a Consular but after that you’re either a Sage or a Shadow.

1658

Let’s be clear. We’re talking about a universe where imperial governors are referred to as “Moffs”. I think the ship of stupid names has sailed.

1659

According the the lore, was a historical name reused by the congress

Though they were also referred to by the more generic style of Sector Governor, the title of Moff was specifically chosen by Palpatine as a tribute to the satraps of those ancient small space empires; the decree thus pointed the way toward Palpatine’s subsequent assumption of Imperial power, which was explicitly presented as a revival of the glories and grandeur of ancient monarchies like Atrisia. Each Moff reported to an Imperial Advisor, sending copies of his reports both to the Advisor and directly to Palpatine.

The initial Sector Governance Decree, however, was issued under the Republic, and caused immediate alarm in the Galactic Senate, serving as the major catalyst for the Petition of 2000. Palpatine simply used this show of Senatorial opposition as a means to identify and remove his most dangerous opponents in the political elite, but the Senate’s short-lived defiance, along with the magnitude of the tasks involved in ending the Clone Wars and initiating the Great Jedi Purge, may nonetheless have contributed to the delay in the appointment of the first Moffs, who did not take up office until several weeks after the Declaration of the New Order and the establishment of the Galactic Empire.

1660

And if it sailed with multiple Moffs on it, it was a Mofference.