Steam gets naughty. Porn for sale!


#93

It seems like if they just give these “new” games a specific category, say adult visual novel or something, it would be easier to weed them out. I am curious about the upcoming games. I’d hate to have to banish most of them to don’t see.

The other thing is, I almost never use Steam to look for games. I know what games I want based on other sources, but I am not sure the other sources will cover these kinds of games, once they come out.


#94

They definitely need much better tagging and organization. Almost none of the tags that currently exist are specific enough to convey meaningful similarities, especially individually, which is how they seem to be used quite regularly. And I can’t block pretty much any tag because it will include games I do care about. Like, I don’t want VR only games because I don’t have VR. But the VR tag applies to games that merely offer VR support. And I do want to play some of those. Similarly, there are games I enjoy with nudity and sexual content. But I don’t play them for the nudity and sexual content, so I don’t want a pile of games that focus on that.


#95

Dang it. I guess I should put those back. I just assumed that tag was for VR only games.


#96

I think for VR you can turn off the “show virtual reality content” box while leaving the tag enabled and then you get the behavior you want. Complaints about tags still stand for everything else, though. Adding a few mature content filters hasn’t changed the reality that both their user analysis and general case filtering options are awful.


#97

So since we get adult games now, or just porn, does this mean Steam is going to sell the movies too? I’ve seen zero reason to have a movie library on Steam compare to my existing can stream on most thing libraries, but if they don’t care about their content then it seems like a possibility.


#98

Just to test, my girlfriend and I enabled the “adult sexual content” option in our preferences and went through fresh discovery queues. She got zero porn games, and despite the fact that I actually play visual novels and assorted Japanese games on Steam, I only got one thing resembling a porn game, and it’s been on Steam for a year. I did a second queue, and (along with a crazy amount of high-profile Japanese games, like Yakuza 0 and NieR Automata) got another year-old game from the same developer as the one game in the first queue, plus a random Russian HuniePop knockoff that was added a few days ago. 24 games, and only one “adult game” that was added after Steam changed their rules.


#99

That would make sense. Which is why it doesn’t work that way.


#100

One must also remember it is a tool being wielded by the community.


#101

Are you saying that because the community can add tags? And to clarify, I haven’t seen a lot of weird ones despite that.


#102

No, they don’t get to pick which tags are available. But they are the ones assigning tags to titles.

You will, for example, see a lot of stuff tagged as “psychological horror” because people think it’s funny to imply it’s scarred them in some way rather than because it’s actually horror.


#103

Rather like a pickaxe being swung about wildly by an unusually strong toddler.


#104

My understanding form reading a bio about Elon is that PayPal really only make money when you $1,200 paypal in your account and I have $500 mine and I transfer $100 from mine to yours, anytime Paypay has to access a external credit card, or bank account they make no money.

The chargeback on porn is many times that of any industry. You sign up for a free trial membership on a porn site and they sign you up for a $40/month “dating site” that you have to call a 900 number to cancel. Add that to the “oh shit I don’t want the wife to see this” and lots of people dispute adult entertainment charges. Paypal early on just decide that any Adult stuff wasn’t worth the hassle. Peter Thiel and the rest of the PayPal mafia founders are libertarian, so seriously doubt it has anything to being a prude or religious.


#105

Interesting thanks! I will put the p&r asterisk next to the word “libertarian” which these days certainly does not mean someone interested in less regulation. Sadly.


#106

It doesn’t make sense. If you’re looking for stuff to play on your VR headset, you care about games with VR support, not games that are VR only…

I guess you’d want the tag to behave differently if using it to exclude games. But since tags are all community-driven anyway… it’s unlikely to fully make sense regardless. :)


#107

Sure. But if you don’t own VR and will never own it, you want to just ignore it… which means you end up ignoring everything that can use VR.

Expecting giant corporations to actually do anything these days is asking a lot. Them being community driven is part of the problem, but Steam can’t bother to hire a dozen people to moderate things cause reasons.


#108

VR could be special cased like early access, non-game software, etc, to solve that particular problem. But in general if tags are to be useful they need to be significantly more granular and the algorithms need to operate on combinations of tags much more than they do now.


#109

They could also do a percentage of some kind. Don’t show the tag because one gamer says it fits something, maybe get at least 10 or some percentage… show the top dozen tags and given preference to the tags the creator selects. Also, give a reporting tool to take it off or challenge what a creator claims.


#110

I think they already do that, but when your tags are so broad it’s not terribly helpful.


#111

That surprises me. Then again, I think the last time I tried to use tags for any sort of search it ended in disaster.


#112

So, there’s a new game out by the makers of Disgea called Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk (phew!)

The thing about it is, there are sexual content and nudity tags on it. I don’t think that’s accurate, or maybe there’s a monster with boobs, like a succubus that’s causing these tags to have to be applied. The problem though, is people who ignore games with those tags will miss out on titles like this. I’ve always liked the Disgea series of games, and Nippon Ichi is generally known for quality titles. This one is a dungeon crawler, so I’m interested. I just thought the tags on it were a detriment in this case.