Steam Stuff - What Has the Digital Distribution Giant Done Lately?


#442

There are legit complaints. Steam does not need to cater to smaller devs, and they don’t.
Those smaller devs have no power- this is why I think they’re all trying to get on Switch, but eventually Nintendo will treat them the same way when they get enough games.

Some excellent games end up getting mixed reviews. I think at this point people are starting to figure out how bad the review system actually is and eventually it will be disregarded.


#443

The inevitable result of a hands-off approach.


#444

creator says they got rid of a “baby killing scene” in case it gets marked as child exploitation.

I’d like to have Games largely be treated like other media, where we don’t have like completely off the table, not okay topics. Games can be made for adults. At the same time, we’re dealing with an industry under an elevated microscope, and there are groups that have tried to go after movies and books and music multiple times. Games is currently an easier target. I wish we had a more mature approach to games tackling these topics than this game.


#445

The NC-17 movie rating exists for a single reason: to tell movie makers that they are technically allowed to make any movie they want, but movie theaters, rental companies, and other distributors are not required to make that movie available to an audience for you.


#446

Yeah, and we have that one weird little outlier, Show Girls.

Steam set themselves up for this by saying they wouldn’t police their store, but then they did, sort of.


#447

I suspect that this will be removed under Valve’s “straight up trolling” clause:


#448

Sounds like THQ 8Chan Nordic might be interested in publishing this game.

I agree that Valve may use the trolling clause for removal.


#449

Comedy with a NC-17 rating is a non-starter. You are not going to tell me it isn’t a comedy, right???


#450

Hehe. Depends on the age when you see it I guess; a lot of 90210 fans probably got some shock from seeing her that way. It definitely received wide release, so it was a choice, not a law. Steam already came out with a hard fast rule that is instantly broke so who knows… I just hoped we’d have a stronger candidate for when this hits politics than rape and killing babies is cool like this game comes off as.

It’s been five minutes since video games got blamed for something. I guess we’re due.


#451

Yup its offensive and Valve will find it so and remove it. Problem solved.

I praise Valve for its laudable approach to artists creativity and audience choice. No need to write out a list of rules, just take a look and make a reasonable judgement. Its far superior to anything else out there.

On the app store or Sony’s PlayStation store for example you can watch Game of Thrones but games with identical content are banned. Admittedly this is a subject that hits very close to home for me but I would imagine most gamers are also uncomfortable with our preferred art form being treated like second class.


#452

Well, reading that Polygon article took me places I regret. Reading the Q&A on the developers website, I was convinced he was trolling but then looking at his deviantart account, I’m not so sure.


#453

People have interesting fetishes basically. As well evidenced by the Bethesda modding scene.


#454

why did you make me browse


#455

And yet, how many times has a DVD/BR release been pitched to the buying public as the “unrated” version that they didn’t want you to see!

And let’s not forget what AT&T/DirecTV will let you pay to watch in the high-numbered premium channels. This is far from a puritan society.


#456

This reminds me of the single nude scene in Office Space, that was clearly inserted just to drive up the rating for marketing. The protagonist watches TV, and there’s a nude scene on the TV he’s watching. That’s it! Nowhere else in the movie! It’s so funny.


#457

I highly doubt Hangover unrated would be on sale anywhere if they added a gratuitous rape scene that wasn’t even part of the story.

There are limits. They are often hard to define, but in general rape scenes aren’t featured very heavily in motion pictures at all, because they’re generally not entertaining to watch. When they are there, they are always controversial even when they are an instrumental part of the story being told.

I don’t believe any mainstream store should be selling a game that tries to make rape fun.


#458

But it can be in porn, which is fine. Porn is for adults. Unless it actually violates a law, we shouldn’t really be policing erotic fantasies. Porn however, is not found in typical stores; is meant to be kept away from children, and it doesn’t show up in mainstream theaters.

If video games have a porn section, and this is different from just made for adults has adult content, would it be on Steam? i don’t know because Steam is wishy washy. They want the power to censor but don’t want to be criticized for it so they create these super vague policies which really doesn’t do anything but give them an out if they choose to take it, and that out will still be followed with criticism.

I suspect they don’t really want a behind the current section in their store though.

I probably just dated myself a bit there.


#459

Yeah, their policies are terrible and this was obviously going to happen.

My feeling is this. It shouldn’t be illegal to make content featuring rape, including rape porn, so long as it’s fake, consensual, consent forms, etc. That said, even though it should be legal, I wouldn’t host that stuff in my store. I wouldn’t want to be associated with it.

As for protecting kids, I basically think that’s bullshit. It’s 2019, kids have the internet.


#460

To be honest I think Valve is trying to find an appropriate middle ground.

The court of public opinion keeps making wild swings back and forth between Valve being too heavy handed with curation then alternately too permissive with their store. I think it is hard to find that sweet spot in the context of the volume they are dealing with.

I am sure the “anything legal and not trolling” policy will see refinement as assholes test the limits as they are wont to do.


#461

Well I am just sharing how we used to handle this sort of thing, at legit stores that had mainstream content plus this other content. It’s not a new situation so much as the digital method is new. Just because kids can access something doesn’t mean Wal-mart wants them to walk into their store and buy it there. We actually have laws on the books for some. It would be idiotic for Video Games to ignore that.