Anything these days can get called a rape manual, including Newton’s Principia. But who would dare object, right?
I don’t intend to defend fornicators and those who set their mind on fornication, but everything must be seen in context. You’re referring to a passage of this Reddit post, describing a situation in which the woman has already invited the man to a private place, kissed him and let him fondle her. At that point, expecting the lovers to explicitly negotiate every further step seems almost comical.
I don’t have any issues with companies making moral decisions. They do it all the time, and some I agree with while others I don’t. Heck, I’ll even throw various religious organizations into the mix and say the same thing. Companies do it with their employees, too - rules of conduct and what not. For instance, I know I can be fired for integrity issues even if I didn’t do anything that directly impacted the organization. I have zero issues with that.
I agree that it can be disconcerting when an external, profit-driven source of communications starts acting as a morality beacon, but that’s an expected result of our society built with the tenets of freedom of speech combined with free enterprise.
As a few people have said, any admonitions can be ignored if you don’t agree with them. If they go against the grain too much, the market will correct for it and the company will cease to exist. That’s maybe not as fast of a correction as I’d sometimes like, but I’ve always been a believer in the merits of slow movement when it comes to acting upon or against morality - I’m not a fan of knee jerk reactions, after all.
OMG Thanks Vetarnias. for a link to this hysterical quote!
I blame you, because this same information was available in the article you originally linked. You didn’t read it carefully in your rush to post yet another concern trolling topic.
lesslucid, I understand appeal of having your world neatly labeled with Black and White, sadly it never is that simple. I stand by my point that Pick Up Artist is not the same thing as Rapists Artist and practicing pick up artistry is not the same thing as practicing date rape.
Not if you are coming from feminist point of view where any sex act not explicitly consented is rape. Some people don’t subscribe to implicit consent. More so, some people even subscribe to crazy idea that even explicit consent is not valid if any amount of alcohol or convincing was involved.
It isn’t comical, it is farce, but lets stick to discussing Pick Up Artistry or we going to find this thread going down the sandwich hole.
I am sorry if my middle of the night slightly intoxicated and insomnia driven posting does not meet your journalistic standards of excellence. Would you like me to issue official retraction and correction notice on the page 2 of this thread?
You seem to be hung up on rape. Do you think rape is the only type of sexual assault that can occur?
No, I want you to be less of an asshole. You accused Kickstarter of two things it didn’t do, and and then blamed someone else instead of your own sloppiness. The entire stupid thread is based on a fallacy, in order to prop up defending manipulative misogynist scumbags from a strawman version of feminism.
Umm… they always have. PR is part of business for one. Making money by fucking people over is a moral judgment as well.
Haha, just when you thought Sinij couldn’t get any worse, it turns out he’s a PUA.
So, who prefers brownies and who prefers cupcakes?
Isn’t ElGuapo a PUA too?
Clearly, because every thread I make is about myself.
You outed me, you can go collect your likes.
For the record, this is both perfectly legal and done all the time.
In the US, you cannot discriminate against someone due to their race or creed (and soon probably sexual orientation) if you are a public business. You may discriminate all you want as a private club.
However, public businesses may discriminate based on many other factors. “Singles Only” cruises may refuse to take married couples. Retirement communities may refuse to house someone under a particular age. Health clubs may refuse to take people of a particular gender. And of course many businesses refuse to admit minors.
Hey Sinij, Amazon doesn’t allow porn. Write your congressman about how they have made a moral judgment!
Yes Tin Wisdom, you are right. This brings me to uncomfortable realization that pushing morals are/can be used in marketing. I hope we never find ourselves in the world where not using some product, for example Facebook, is seen as amoral.
Exactly who is this class of people that are going to get their morals from … Kickstarter? The gospel of <insert religious icon of choice here> will today be read and interpreted by Kickstarter. I’m supposed to take concern over someone thinking Kickstarter is providing moral guidance seriously? Seriously?
And ironically, I’ve always seen the group that PUAs do the most damage to is not women. Its the poor naive guys that actually give them money for that advice. Can’t score with women so they get financially reamed by other men taking advantage of their hopelessness. Talk about men doing crap to other men.
Sex and advertising … news? Sex and morals? maybe news to pre-religion humans? Cross over between sex, morals and advertizing … suddenly news? But heh, we’re going to solve it on a thread on teh internets today.
Of course it is. Have you ever read a Sinij thread?
In answer to the original post all I can say is that I don’t allow smoking in my home. If you want to smoke, go for it. I’m even in favor of making pot legal. I have no ‘moral’ issue with smoking. But you can’t smoke in my house.
I see Kickstarter saying the same thing regarding pick up manuals. They have no interest in hosting campaigns for such on their website. That’s pretty much the end of it as far as I’m concerned, they don’t need to justify it any more than I need to justify why people can’t smoke in my home.
My personal view of the PUA thing is that it is obviously about objectifying women AND manipulating people. Whether that’s good or bad depends on your point of view. I myself can and do manipulate people on occasion in real life. You kind of have to in order to get the results you want. These guys just apply it to relationships with women. So it’s tough for me to judge them since I’ve done basically the same thing in other contexts. Plus I believe most women know these types of guys are out there, so it’s not like they’re fooling anyone.