Hiding or removing replies to one of your posts is different than FB deleting a post of your own on your own timeline.
ShivaX
2940
I’m banned from posting on Facebook for 60 days.
Why?
Because Feb 1st of 2020 I posted this:
And Facebook says I’m promoting Nazism or something. There is no appeal process. You can “disagree” with their decision and that’s it. Also context is meaningless and they’re apparently digging deep just looking for shit.
Which is hilarious to me because I spent literally hours finding actual Nazi shit on Facebook and then had them repeatedly and without fail tell me that said Nazi shit wasn’t against their Terms of Service.
I’m currently serving a 30 bay for asking an Anti Vaxxer to take their president’s own advice on curing the coronavirus . I will not be reinstating my account. I suggest you take your “appeals” and write letters to the people who lay be reading them, outlining their employer’s detriment to society and the world, and urging them to quit.
Facebook is literally a force for evil in the world.
My stance is only reinforced.
Looks like Facebook finally implemented moderation! Good for them, I guess.
ZeTh1
2944
FB’s direct content moderation is currently done by call center type companies who hire for $10-15 per hour depending on the location of the company. They get a week or two of training(sometimes less) and a few slides per month for updates, policy changes etc. Most of them work from home and most of the time the appeals are handled by someone in the same team or even the same moderator. When dealing with nazi/terrorist symbolism, they apply a principle similar to “when in doubt, assume the worst”. Also, a symbol or a figure such as Hitler, posted with no caption or context, is considered to be supporting the organisation/figure.
I’ve worked for a hate speech focused NGO in Germany which did an indepedent audit on FB’s hate speech moderation in the EU. They scored an 88% accuracy at the time(meaning we looked at decisions taken by the moderators and we agreed with ~88% of those decisions). They obviosly made an error in your case but considering the decision was taken by someone with little training, no expertise etc. , I wouldn’t say it is the end of the world. Just add a contextual caption next time and they won’t delete it.
Yeah, I mean, I sorta get Shiva’s point… but I also don’t think it should come as a surprise that such extreme posts got flagged. That first one was ultra-sarcastic, but it was still repeating racist coronavirus BS and now swastikas?
Personally, I don’t think people need to quit using facebook, they just need to quit using facebook like that. The messages are spot-on but they’re also toxic. I mean, we keep P&R separate here for a reason.
Nesrie
2946
It should surprise no one. Pretty much every time Facebook tries to crack down on racism, they wind up suspending black people talking about… racism. They can’t figure out how to moderate anything when they put so few resources into it, keep trying to figure out why a bunch of white guys creating the logic can’t figure out how to program something takes into diversity, and there is zero incentive for them to reconsider and learn from their mistakes so they provide almost zero means for meaningful feedback.
ShivaX
2947
Update:
Facebook actually had a human look at things and decided that I didn’t break the rules.
That was last night. Today I jump on and the exact same post comes up as being against their Community Standards. I click through the popups an then Facebook crashes because apparently their system can’t handle the very concept of them being wrong so they didn’t bother to code for it.
Now every single time I open the page I get a popup about how I violated their Community Standards and the “offending post”. Despite them having said they got it wrong and I didn’t violate any standards.
Apparently billions can’t buy anything resembling competence. I used to give Apple shit, but this makes Apple look like the Navy Seals.
Thrag
2948
Facebook moderation AI taken down by classic star trek logic paradox.
I got yet another 30-day ban for posting this link, I shit you not. I protested it, but that was about 3-4 days ago so I’m assuming it’s been viewed by a human and the ban upheld.
I just keep in mind that the one time I reported someone on FB, it was a page overtly for white supremacy that was covered with language repeatedly calling anyone of color “mud people.” The response was, “this does not violate our community standards.”
ShivaX
2950
Likewise. Only it wasn’t one time it was dozens, but the response was always the same.
Meanwhile anti-racist and anti-Nazi stuff gets flagged and taken down constantly.
As someone who never signed on to FB/Twitter/Instagram I read this thread because of a fascination people are still on any of them.
KevinC
2952
Shiva is on there to be a lifeline for his mom so she doesn’t down in the crazy, IIRC. I can understand that.
I know what you mean, though, I avoid the social networks like the plague. When Facebook first blew up all my friends kept urging me to make an account. Yet all I ever heard them talking about was drama and fights caused by Facebook. I’ve been asking why they’re still using the platform ever since.
For me the thing I keep coming back to is this: People stayed in touch just fine before FB existed.
This electronic connection thing was going on long before FB or the internet. I ran a BBS both to play the door games that were the precursor to PC MP but also to just stay in touch. And my BBS fed into Fido-Net that created message boards that were the QT3 forums of their day.
To me it just feels like I stay in touch just fine via phone, text, email and [gasp] written letters.
We also managed to keep in touch and make arrangements without mobile phones. Now that would be very limiting as most of your friends and acquaintances would not want to deal with the hassle of the one guy without a phone.
FB isn’t quite to that level but it can be in certain social circles.
Funny you should use smart phones as an example, I didn’t get one till 2 years ago. So, I guess I am in fact your imagined guy.
I work full remote and have ready access to a half dozen means of communication other than a cell phone. The impact of my phone ownership was disappointingly underwhelming.
RichVR
2956
Like I’ve said, I have Facebook but never use it. The wife does though. That’s how I got my recent birthday wishes. She sent me screenshots from her phone. Then I went on to thank everyone and left for another year.
Nesrie
2957
I don’t think we did. I mean, I left a job, I might hear from a couple of people for a few years. I left school or any area, maybe 1 or 2 and that drifted apart. My entire gaming group is of former co-workers, and a couple of them we weren’t close when we worked together but they tagged along and come now.
I think some people are used to being in a place their entire childhood or most their adult life and think it’s easy to keep in contact whereas as those of us who moved a few times, maybe several, not so much.
Now you can say well if you were close you would do such as such… except so many of the adults in my life right now, like our parents… they don’t even have friends. I really don’t understand it, but they drifted apart from like everyone. It’s so sad.
Yes, not having a mobile can work. I resisted for ages also but found much less friction in my life when I went with one. I still have friends who don’t have them but I notice that they are often dependent on their partner for invitations and knowledge of events. Of course these are people who are not at a computer most of the time.
I feel FB is similar. Going without it is very possible but it depends greatly on how the groups that you connect with work. In my case FB was something that I rarely interacted with until I became an expat. Suddenly I found that FB groups were the easiest way to get information about the local area from other expats.
