1683

Who cares? Wait three or four months, dear, and perhaps the game will be in better shape by then.

1684

Your clear personal bitterness and crusade aside, Rohrschach has been pretty honest about the state of SOTS2 ever since it was released. That he bumps the thread with patch updates isn’t anything nefarious. And at this point the people who still care about the game have chosen not to ask for their money back (for the most part), so nobody can really claim to be getting screwed anymore. So I’m not sure who you think your are helping by repeating your position.

1685

I still haven’t gotten my refund but that has nothing to do with Rohrschach.

1686

This has nothing to do with personal bitterness. It has to do with a better SOTS and better games in general. It all about accountability. I want this game fixed. I want games not to be released like civ 5 and Sots 2 were. The way I see to do that is , in part, to level accountability upon those, like Rosch, who were directly involved in bad releases. If you dont fix the people/culutre problem we are just going to keep getting more of the same

True fans were screwed out of a functional and evolutionary sots 2 experience because Rosch and people like him put their need for acceptance and attention above the health and welfare of the game. Not to mention what they cost their fellow gamers financially. Kerberos/Paradox/Steam ect is still selling the game without any disclaim regarding its condition and as far as I know no one is getting refunds if they purchases after nov 30th.

1687

And posting here helps this how? Nobody from Kerberos is here and the Paradox poster is a dev who only posts on games he’s involved in. And Rorsch is not a Kerberos employee, so going after a beta tester who took the word of the people at Kerberos that they were going to fix the problems in the release build isn’t accomplishing anything either.

Trune fans were screwed out of a functional and evolutionary sots 2 experience because Rosch and people like him put their need for acceptance and attention above the health and welfare of the game. And its not like people buying the gmae today or yesterday or last week are getting refunds enough though the game is not release quality 3 months after release. Nor is there any disclaim or warning for people who do buy it warning of its condition.

I don’t know how that doesn’t come across as a personal attack on Rohrschach.

Seriously, I don’t own this game and have passed on it a few times now because this thread is very clear that it isn’t worth even what Steam had it on sale for a few weeks ago. If that doesn’t prove that this thread is pretty realistic about the state of the game then I don’t know what will. And nothing you have posted has contributed to that conclusion because you continue to come across as someone with a personal axe to grind against Rohrscach in particular, as if bitching at him will change how Kerberos operates.

Go post on the official boards at Kerberos or Paradox if you want to accomplish something. Here you are just a troll looking for attention.

1688

Rosch is a lot more than just a customer at kerberos but thats not that point.
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What we need is a bad tester registry. We need a list of everyone who beta’d a bad game (civ 5 and sots2 come to mind) and didnt come forward at release to warn their fellow gamer. If there is a list that several communities can agree on “the media” can ask a developer/producer if they will honor the will of the community and not invite the people on said list to test. Companies will see it in their best interest not to “employ” said people. In addition we can stand together in requesting transparent testing and no penalty against tester who speak out. The developers/publishes will have to decide if they want to risk the possible PR issues that would come from ignoring the communities request.

As individuals posting on messageboards we arnt going to make change. But if we “unionize” for lack of a better word and use the strength of our numbers as cutomers we can change the behavior that have led to bad releases.

1689

Once again I’m going to reiterate what I said when you first joined and started ranting. This is the wrong forum for you mate, honestly. I don’t think you know what kind of environment you are in (which is a bit funny but how and ever) and attacking a long standing member isn’t exactly going to earn you any friends, nevermind respect.

Every single one of your 37 posts has been in this thread attacking Rorsch and/or Kerberos (well except for a brief break to grill Brad instead).

1690

Yeah, I don’t get what is with the hostility, did you loose a relative to SOTS II or something. Was it so that the money that was used to create SOTS 2 could have gone into cancer research that would have saved your recently afflicted family member?

If not , then perhaps you should look into what is causing you to overreact so much. As I’ve said before, I’d rather have this game in working condition than I ever want my money back, as I think it will be way cool.

Until then I’m pleased that Rosarch takes the time to post patches and updates here so I can follow the progress.

1691

what he said. also gtfo haters. go hate on something that needs hatin. banks, megacorporations, whatever.

1692

I really wanted to be snarky about the unfeasibility of your bad tester list but I’m sure you are just brainstorming.

How would you define bad tester? I agree that SotS2 was a waste of my money but I like and still occasionally fire up Civ5. I want to go back and give SotS2 a shot, if I ever see glowing praise for the latest patch in this thread, but I know that I probably won’t given how many other games are on the horizon. Would you put yourself on the good or bad tester list? It sounds like you may have technical issues with your computer’s configuration preventing you from being able to test properly.

You should maybe give up on being an early adopter and come read the forum the day after release. Even with glowing impressions here you may not like the game, the gaming tastes on this forum are pretty diverse. I would also say most of the people on this board love playing a lot of different games and have no problems finding a different game to play when they encounter a “bad” game.

1693

Evrett, I want to back up what some of the other folks in this thread are saying. It’s really uncool how much personal hostility you’re directing at Rorschach, based apparently on some misconceptions you have about his role in the game. I can tell you from personal knowledge that he doesn’t work for Kerberos, he had no role in the development of the game, and he in no way benefits from the game’s success. He’s a guy who just loves the first Sword of the Stars, and I think you’ll find he’s as dismayed at the state of the release of Sword of the Stars II as everyone else in this thread. You have no right to treat him the way you’re treating him.

That said, I understand your frustration, and you’re certainly within your rights to use this thread to express it. But if I can roll out a terrible metaphor, think of it as playing with a garden hose. I understand you want to put your thumb over the nozzle to get a more dramatic stream going, but try to finesse the angle of your thumb more carefully. At this point, you’re just getting everyone wet and mad. :)

To everyone else, I think you all have a handle on this, but please keep in mind that a thread for a game is open to people who don’t like the game and want to complain. This is part of what we do on a message board: argue. I feel that if Evrett were more careful with some of his statements and particularly his personal antagonism of Rorschach, what he’s saying here is certainly fair game.

-Tom
1694

Complaining is fine. Harassing is not or I hope it’s not. He had clearly stepped into the realm of harassing.

1695

My hostility towards rorsch is based on 6 years of “exposure” and is not personal. There are very few people beyond the devs LESS guilty of what happened to sots2. Its not overreaction here its underreaction. Any Lvl 3 sex offender can be polite on a msg board. Ive certainly not been here long enough to say what this community is about but I would it is one of gamers with gamer values.

Rorsch hurt sots 1 and killed 2 via neglect for social gain. Hisforknowegde of the condition of sots2 is akin to fraud. He doesn’t deserve the circle of gamer friendship he deserves the circle of gamer he’ll

1696

Yep, harassment. Personal harassment.

Me? I’m pissed off with Kerberos. I’ve not bought SOTSII and I won’t until it’s fixed AND discounted (or bundled with a decent expansion pack).

1697

That was quick…

-Tom
1698

Totally uncool. I do agree with you, Evrett, that you haven’t been around here long enough to know what this community is about. If you’d like to give it another shot at some point in the future, drop me a line and we can talk. But for now, your comments are absolutely out of line and, frankly, reprehensible.

 -Tom
1699

That is about the biggest load of rubbish I have ever read on any forum ever, you really need to get some life perspective.

oops too slow from a lurker ;p

1700

Thanks Tom.

Not that this thread needs any more love, but…I really liked the original SOTS and found Rorschach’s information very helpful. I really hope SOTS2 makes it to a playable state & I am saddened it wasn’t there at release.

1701

Well, I for one appreciate that someone takes the time to post when a new patch is out, since I’m waiting for the game to be in a decent state until purchasing. I’d appreciate some feedback on how the game plays now, when someone has a chance to try it out.

Also, I don’t really think it’s fair to blame beta testers for anything. Their job (if they’re even paid) is to test and report, not to fix bugs, and certainly not to decide when the game is ready to ship. Just my two cents.

1702

I picked this up for £5 in the xmas sale and updates are welcome as i’m in no rush to play and a few more patches to improve things is welcome as is updates on them.