1770

This doesn’t make sense. Not that I believe much of what comes out of Trump’s mouth or his GOP enablers, but they specifically mentioned cruise-lines and hotels.

1771

Cruise lines can get fucked.

They don’t pay taxes and run flags of other nations to avoid all our laws and we’re supposed to bail them out?
Fuck that.

1772

Yes, they should ask Panama for a bailout. Since that’s the flag they mostly use.

1773

I think the GOP pushed for it in the Senate bill, put couldn’t get it pass Pelosi. They should ask Panama , Liberia, and the Bahamas for help.

1774

Yeah, it just bothers me that the industry was given hope and then having it yanked from under them like that. I know that’s not a logical argument whatsoever.

They employ around 400k Americans, which… what are we supposed to do with those people? Push them to the restaurant and entertainment industry that is also going down?

1775

This should work out well:

1776

Pick crops? We’re going to need them.

1777

I’m guessing you got the number from these people??

Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA), the cruise industry trade association, estimates that the industry supports 421,000 American jobs, and nearly 40 percent of the 1.17 million industry-supported jobs globally are based in the U.S.

I’m suspicious of the 400K number, in large part because it seems to come from the cruise ship industry association, and they have vested interest in inflating the numbers. My experience with the Pride of America, only US flagged cruise, makes really dubious of the accuracy. The way I figure it Seattle, San Diego, NYC, Miami, and Hawaii, and Alaska have a lot of cruise ships But other than
Hawaii and Alaska almost all the stops are in foreign ports, very few crew members are US citizens due to the shitty pay and awful working conditions.

No question they cruise industry got devastated, but on my list of industries I want to see bailed out they are way behind, Hotels, Airlines, AirBnb owners, amusement parks/other tourist attractions, and restaurants. Also, they should know better than trusting the GOP, right :-). Hopefully, the workers will get the extra unemployment check.

1778

Yeah. I know the big ships have about 1k in crew. I have no idea how many are actual Americans. There is also the supply lines associated with them. They might be playing loose with the numbers, but I suspect it’s not a small amount of people. They’re like little cities on the water designed for excess and luxury which is why they suck the resources they do and pollute.

Yeah… I still operate under the idea that the USA government should at least… try to do what they sway. If it was Trump alone, that’d be different. There were others backing that up AND we still have several ships stuck in limbo. It’s… just not a good situation all around.

1779
1780

The majority of staff on the ships are from other countries. The largest ships may have 2000+ crew.

I have no idea about the numbers, but the cruise ports in the U.S. require a lot of staff, and most of those I’d imagine are Americans. I know Celebrity Cruises has a large call center in Wichita. Royal Caribbean has 4 or 5 call centers. One is in Miami I believe. They have a corporate presence here too.

I have no opinion about bailouts for anyone.

1781

I don’t agree with Amash on much philosophically, be he’s been killing it.

1782

We need the names of these companies so we can boycott them.

1783

Cruise lines mostly didn’t benefit because they employ very few Americans, and most are organized on other countries in order to about us labor laws.

1784

Same.

1785

Yeah I know about them not being registered here. I think it’s a garbage work around decent labor laws, but again hotels, cruise-lines that was part of the… pitch. And their supply lines can’t be small. They’re mini cities on water.

1786

It was also immediately pushed back on by people.

1787

That’s the drunk Judge Whatever shown on the Fox thread.

1788

I hear what you’re saying, Nesrie, but you don’t really think the government should do everything that Trump says, right? :) Because that includes a lot of… things. Things we definitely do not want the government to do.

He was just blathering. 100% chance some Cruise-Line CEO’s had just talked to him or his office, and Trump is always eager to please CEO’s.

1789

No not everything he says. Of course not. I suspect the man doesn’t even know what he is going to say until it just pops out.

A pandemic that is affecting the entire world is maybe not the best time to punish an industry like this. If we don’t like what the cruise industry is doing, then as a society we make that decision, the right way. Not when people are scared and literally dying. And the government, our government, gave the indication that they were going to offer support, and we’re not doing it. That’s just wrong.

And for the record, I have never been on a cruise, never intended to be on a poop cruise. I don’t like how gross those places were before a lethal diseases hit or whether it’s people that just vanish from them or the way they might abandon a person in medical need at some random port or any other dozens of reasons including dumping their waste in the ocean… this just seems gross to do right now.