Tax Reform Under Trump 2017


#2031

I’m saving over a grand it looks like as a single renter. I’m not rich by any sense of the word but absolutely don’t need it.


#2032

Back when the new tax law was passed, I did a “back of the envelope” calculation and figured that I’d get maybe a 500 dollar tax cut the first year all other things being equal (we’ll see). Of course that only lasts a few years because they had to make the longer term numbers look less horrible, so even that’s going away, the deficit is starting to cause excess inflation (THAT is the real danger of excessive deficits with a fiat sovereign currency in a free floating exchange rate system) such that it’s eating up any wage gains, and we’re all hugely effed in the A except for the people who are perched at or near the top of the impossibly pointy pyramid of the wealth distribution.


#2033

Well, it would depend on your income and on what they ended up doing with increasing the child tax credits. Since some of that can be refundable there are those who could do better.

My accountant told me after the law passed that I was the first person he had run a check who was going to owe more.


#2034

Something sure is trickling down, but it ain’t money.


#2035

Too bad no one in the Republican party will answer for this. Probably blame Obama or Clinton somehow. Or just call reports about wage stagnation “fake news” like usual.


#2036

Look, it’s not their fault wages are stagnating. Employers want to pay more, but they can’t because of all those immigrants stealing our jobs with cheap labor. The only way to solve that is to BUILD THE WALL. Fake News. No Collusion.


#2037

The worst part is when employers provide an excuse for why they’re not giving wages when times are good and some employees actually believe them. Most of them are flush with cash, cutting costs and not paying their employees. Until people start jumping ship and shift to other jobs and places of employment, they have no incentive to try and keep them. Of course then they’re wind up with an opening and start whining about how they can’t fill and how they can’t find any skilled employees.


#2038

As Trump said - “I’ve just made all of you a lot richer”

Using a measure that includes stock options realized (as described below), CEO pay grew a remarkable 17.6 percent from 2016 to 2017, reaching $18.9 million on average in 2017. CEO compensation grew strongly because of the large stock awards given to CEOs and their ability to sell previously granted stock options in a rising stock market.


#2039

Trickle down, trickle down, can’t spare a nickel now.

We really need a good cleansing of the ultra wealthy, like a nobility purge from the Malazan books.


#2040

#2041

From the article:

How we can solve the problem: Policy solutions that would limit and reduce incentives and the ability of CEOs > to extract economic concessions without hurting the economy include the following:

Reinstate higher marginal income tax rates at the very top.
Set corporate tax rates higher for firms that have higher ratios of CEO-to-worker compensation.
Set a cap on compensation and tax anything over the cap.
Allow greater use of “say on pay,” which allows a firm’s shareholders to vote on top executives’ compensation.

I don’t like the cap on compensation idea (even though it’s basically how progressive taxes work, so maybe just the wording is awkward) but the other 3 sound solid.


#2042

Really, many more high-income brackets and marginal rates that escalate to 90% go a long way to preventing runaway wealth accumulation.


#2043

Again, that shiny moment of the 50s that these MAGA folks seem to yearn for was when we were taxing the living fuck out of the wealthy.


#2044

Just need Europe to burn itself down and China to get colonized by opium traders again, and MAGA!


#2045

Well, insofar as they (or rather, their lawyers and tax accountants) weren’t finding super-creative ways of dodging those tax rates. So I doubt many people were actually paying that marginal 90% rate or whatever it was. Still, I think effective tax rates were more progressive (although there was no indexing back then, which sucked if there was any inflation at all).


#2046

Limit, reduce or even just ban corps from paying executives in stock options could help too (would also put a brake on companies buying their stock back solely to inflate the stock price and instead reinvest their profits in their employees, R&D or etc.)


#2047

I feel the same way. The cap idea doesn’t sound great. The “say on pay” sounds great too, but with a caveat that the CEO has to abstain from the vote if they own a large amount of shares.

I think the best thing would be not to be to tax companies over a threshold, but to give tax breaks to companies under a lower threshold.


#2048

It’s very difficult to develop policy that can’t be gamed - for example, I think it’ll be fairly easy for large companies to spin up subsidiaries to make sure they are under that threshold to be eligible for tax breaks.


#2049

Sure, but that is life. You keep working on it, making it better and making adjustments.


#2050