Really impressive stuff, Alan. For some of them (esp the people lounging on the rock), I’d never have guessed there was enough detail to pull out of the original photo like that.

Same!

Thanks for taking the time to post those Alan. I found the comparison and notes very interesting.

Congrats on the wedding Remuul. Cute kid!!!

This is why RAW exists. Same shot in JPG and you have no chance of recovering any detail. ¡Viva RAW!

Yeah, it’s amazing what your camera will capture that you’d never see in the JPG. Of course the downside of Raw is that you generally -HAVE- to reprocess it. If you have a really good shot with high contrast and good dynamic range the JPG out of the camera flat out looks better IMO. But that’s easily taken care of by adjusting the RAW levels appropriately.

Also pretty easy to do if you set up an automated workflow like in Lightroom. But yes, RAW offers so many advantages that you should never really not take in RAW unless you had no space or limited capability.

— Alan

Omigod! Alan! You are finally processing your shots before you post them? I thought they looked a lot better. :-)

The first day I got my DSLR, I compared RAW vs. JPGs, and I have never shot another JPG. RAW just leaves you so many more opportunities for post-processing.

Well, no, I’ve been processing for awhile in some form or fashion. Just not to any great extent–just some automated filters mostly. When I moved to Lightroom, that really helped quite a bit, and the more updates I get, the more I learn or… un-learn.

— Alan

Shots into the sun or at an acute angle to the sun can be really hard–you don’t want to blow out the sun but more than likely many objects in the foreground will be dark and underexposed. That being said, like above, there’s still a lot of data there that post-processing can draw out. In this case, I wanted the people to still be in shadow, but I wanted the beach to the obvious given where the photo was taken. Bringing down the highlights and darkening the sun area also reduces the glare of the sun, revealing more near it and making it a bit more interesting (depending on the photo):


Here the entire objective is to bring out the sunset and what’s left of the blues in the sky and the water. I didn’t want the sky to be blown out and I wanted the warmth of the sunlight reflected in the water.


For this, it’s just super-bright. The sky is nearly blown out, as is the reflection in the water (well, nearly). Aside from a bit color in the people, it just feels slate, boring, grey. First thing to do is draw out the sky, then bring out some contrast, color, vibrance and detail and in the clothing. Dropping the exposure and juking the contrast in the sky and bam, look, clouds! I think as a result the rock formation turned out a bit better too, though maybe a bit darker than it should have been:

This is one of my favorite photos from my trip to Telluride a few years back. Actually at its core there’s not too much wrong with this–mostly it’s about the clouds being blown out, which is fairly common. Clouds can get damn bright and it’s easy to sacrifice them for decent exposure in the foreground. A secondary casualty was the background where I felt like the colors and detail weren’t coming out enough. For this sequence I’ve actually gone through several edits. The first is the original, the second was an initial bit that I did in Picasa, and the last was my re-visit a few months ago. For me the important elements in this photo are: the vast, billowing clouds, the amazing mountains in the background, and the cowboys in the foreground. Each needed to be properly emphasized. The grass needed to be more lively and colorful. The mountains turned out to be a bit difficult and I wound up spot-improving them to bring them out (I think I re-cropped it too):



— Alan

I really like seeing these before and afters – crazy how some sliders can make those clouds appear! When you’re processing, how concerned are you with achieving a look that’s true to life? What’s the balance between art object and documentation of reality for you?

It really is an individual thing. I have a certain look i like, some like it others dont. I also find it depends on my mood as well as type of shot, landscapes are different to people and sky different again for me.

Lightroom has a lot to answer for. Version 4 made great strides in shadow recovery like those people in Alans shots.

Also it is easy to use as a beginner and also great when you know more. While pretty simple it is very powerful. You can also get presets to try out and give you a feel for what does what.

I have presets for people, landscapes, aky, sea, hdr look, black and white as well as other styles like holga and film.

I have a business copy of photoshop from work but hardly use it as Lightroom is great. If i ever need to shoot jpg i normally use raw+jpg so i still have the option of fixing stuff if in camera doesnt work.

Oe thing i like in camera is the hdr option my sony has, not only does it look good you can adjust it from low, mid to high. So now days im less likely to take 3 or 5 shots and use photomatix if im feeling like a hdr moment.

This was actually why I asked Alan, because his stuff sits right on the cusp to me of being oversaturated and looking “graphic-y” and I was looking for some of his perspective since I like most of his shots about what he does and how he draws that line. It’s just a bonus to see he has similar issues to mine (damn clouds!)

That’s an interesting question, I think I agree with what you say about being right on the cusp. Like, in that last cowboy shot, the sky looks a little too saturated blue for my tastes. I guess that’s the tradeoff for some of the really interesting cloud detail though? It definitely seems to be something that you need to judge on a shot-by-shot basis. (BTW, I don’t mean to be trying to critique your choices though, as I know very little about it, I’m just thinking through my own preferences. Pretty much everything in this thread is miles better than anything I could put together. Thanks again Alan, for showing us your process.)

I think, especially with some of the landscapes in the Sierra’s, they just scream out to be saturated, because even if that isn’t how they look in real life, that’s how they “feel” like they look, if that makes sense. They’re just so impressive and immediate that they seem larger than life, and the colors reflect that.

I think you’ve convinced me to switch my camera from RAW+JPG to just RAW. I’ve settled on having lightroom in my workflow, so even if I don’t think much about them, I can still just run the auto-adjusts and export to wherever I’m trying to go.

Actually, while I think the sky is a little over-saturated in the cowboy pick too, in general really saturated blue skies in mountain climes don’t bother me. With a decent pair of polarized sunglasses, that is more or less what the skies look like assuming it’s not particularly hazy or smokey. I think in the cowboy picture I’d tend to mask in the foreground and mountain background from the third shot with the sky from the second shot, but they’re both far better than the un-adjusted shot for sure.

Nothing wrong with RAW+JPG if you have the memory space. I shoot that way, since it’s easy to take the JPGs out immediately and mail them to someone to see what I took pictures of and I have more trouble finding time to massage the RAW files. But just JPG is bad. :)

That makes perfect sense.

Just to throw my two cents in, I really love Alan’s artistic choices when it comes to processing. I say this partially by way of request and partially out of naked self-interest as I’d hate to see him dial back the saturation in favor of a more naturalistic balance.

mouselock makes an interesting point; frequently I wear polarized lenses a lot when I’m out doors. So I may be seeing things that look absolutely amazing through the lenses, but more boring when I take them off, so in my mind I might be attempting to re-create something more along those lines. And, on top of that, I use a circular polarizer.

True, for the cowboy pic, the sky could probably be a little lighter and less saturated. If I had a better knowledge and/or time I could probably just adjust the clouds manually after darkening the sky to a better hue, but… I’m fairly happy with the last result.

Tonight I may go back to some stormchasing stuff and see what I can turn up. A few I revisited recently with LR4 so it’d be good to re-think the process I had one these.

— Alan

Just a few more. Storm photography can be fairly difficult–you have to be in the right place in the right time to get a decent shot. You have to rely on manual focus a lot, because many auto-focus mechanisms lose their “grip” in flowing conformist clouds and bad lighting conditions. The latter is just another problem–if you’re not careful you can easily overexpose or lose a lot of color definition because you’re metering in the wrong place. Sometimes you don’t even know what you have until you go back and look.

For this shot, it was a quick snap out of the driver window as I was racing down a highway in eastern Wyoming. It’s a developing storm but there various holes where crepescular rays are seemingly poking through the base. It looks okay, but to me this doesn’t look like a storm at all, and I want the crepescular rays highlighted in vibrant sunlight the way it should be. This was essentially a throw-away shot, but now it’s colorful and there’s a ton of cloud definition:


Honestly I think for this storm cell in South Dakota I cheated. A lot. I wanted sufficient light, color, and cloud definition, but I experimented with color differentials till I wanted the shades I thought looked good. I wanted the sky underneath to really show in its glowing warmth (I did ok), to show the various rain shafts, and the storm cell bursting with blue water. It’s one of the more artificial things I’ve ever done I think.


I remember here in Oklahoma I had no idea what I was looking at. Was it a strong gust, rear flank downdraft (RFD) kicking up dirt (with the notch potentially up on the right), or something else? I remember that I was hoping for a developing tornado that wanted to go and it never happened, right across I-35 from me in Norman. However, later I discovered at this time there actually was a short-lived, weak tornado that spawned off of the highway and plowed up a road, moving cars up the road and pushing them aside (there’s helicopter video of this floating around). Generally it got eclipsed by events further north, where a pair of truck stops got leveled by a much bigger twister (and coincidentally where the bulk of the chasers were). In any event, my objective now is to a) process a decent photo and b) uncover anything I might have missed. It sucks a little cause it’s slightly out of focus. Dropping the exposure, jacking the cloud contrast, and shifting the color a little now makes me believe this is a tornado shot: the top of the funnel is spinning at upper center (it’s got this great lip curl), but there’s no rain and hence no condensation funnel. But it is lightly connected with the ground–a lot of dirt is kicking around in the field beyond the highway. I’m fairly certain it’s not just a random gust of wind. This thing was spinning nicely up in the cloud base. So yeah, for this one I wanted to “rescue” a photo as much as I could and see what I could make out of it.


Finally there’s these awesome mammatus. Usually (but not always) they form on the backside of storms in turbulent, unsteady air and when they get going they are amazingly photogenic, because when big storms pass, it’s usually near dusk and you get awesome color. My big frustration is that I know for certain that there was a ton of golden tones in these clouds and for whatever reason, it wasn’t getting captured well enough. This looks, well, peachy. Everything else was okay–I think maybe out of focus a little, and the noise is a bit much. I think what I was trying was to get the foreground exposed nicely and I’d work the sky later, but I could never get it both going sufficiently. Working on a bit, I rescued the under-laying sky a bit but didn’t bring out too much in the terrain–it’s very, very noisy and I wound up smoothing it out instead. I didn’t want the mammatus to be too yellow/golden, but think I worked out a halfway-decent medium. The upper part may be a bit too dark/purplish. Plus, this shot looks like a long exposure and it’s actually not at all. Frustrating.

— Alan

Some random crap.

— Alan

Currently I’m in Washington state and just finished up a short day trip to North Cascades National Park, which is pretty friggin’ amazing. At the moment I don’t have access to my usual array of post-processing photos and had to stick to iPhoto for this test case:

This is Lake Diablo within the park. And yes the water is actually this color.

— Alan

I’m going to guess that the lake is fed by glaciers to be that color. IIRC that color is primarily produced due to very fine granite particulates in the water. If I get a chance later, I’ll try to dig up some of my old fjord pics where the water is the same color.

Edit: here is one. This is less then 5km off the glacier. The rivers had a similar color too. The further you got away from the source, the less pronounced the color was.


Kayaking from Marifjora to Urnes by nmhansen, on Flickr