But yeah, anyone using it because they are too shy to meet people is going to run into trouble once their chats move from online to in-person, so it’s ultimately not a substitute for ‘regular’ dating.

I disagree. It gets you over that initial hurdle. I’m fine talking to people I already know and by the time I got to the point of actually meeting for dates, I already sort of knew the girl I was going to see. I had stuff to talk about, past conversations to reference, and she was expecting me to show up and talk to her.

I guess it’s not a problem talking to girls that most guys have but a problem walking up and talking to a complete stranger. Once the ice is broken, I think most guys are alright. That’s what internet dating does (or, did for me anyway).

I was referring more to people who are chronically shy. A dating site might give them more prep before meeting someone but if they’re that incredibly shy, it may not help much.

But that’s a minority of people, anyway, I suspect. Most probably just need the ice-breaker as you say (which the dating site provides), and they’re fine after that.

No, no, no. I have one better. Way back in early 2002, Kid Socrates and I were working a temp job back in northern Virginia in the office/mall underground complex by the Crystal City metro stop. The job was the best ever - show up, unbox some LCD monitors and desktop printers, put labels on them, go swap them out in various offices, bring the old ones back, repeat. We were part of a fourteen-man crew that to this day lives in infamy. Ghana Tony, I-Don’t-Work-Here-Mike, Japanese Dave, Brett Heinlein (the man could make a copy of Stranger In A Strange Land appear out of thin air, it was like a literary David Blaine trick…)

And then this old guy, had to be in his sixties. We couldn’t ever figure out his first name because he sounded like a cross between Mushmouth from the Cosby Kids and Grandpa from The Boondocks. But his last name was Goodrun, and after seeing him in action, the legend of Lech Goodrun was born.

We’re all out on the curb loading a cart of new monitors onto the truck, most of us standing around holding down the sidewalk (as you do on a temp job, getting paid by the hour) and across the six-lane busy downtown street there walks this rather attractive twenty-something lady in a nice business outfit, skirt and suit. A few of us kind of do the nudge-and-nod acknowledgement, but not Lech Goodrun. Oh no, not Lech.

This horny old geezer runs out INTO TRAFFIC, lurches across the median like a live-action game of Frogger, bounds over the curb, and catches up to this young lady, and we can hear him over the traffic with a line that shall live forever in our hearts:

Hey baby, you got any kids?” [silence] “You want some?

Out of sheer admiration for his chutzpah, I don’t think Lech lifted a single box for his entire stint on that crew. Truly a master of his art.

That is the most baller thing I’ve ever heard.

I should look up broomball then, Google doesn’t think kickball has made it here yet. I’m not sure whether it’ll work for me, because while I’m not as bad as Brian I’m also not the type to chat up random girls.

The proper response.

Nice.

Some of my single friends at work have joined the XOSO Sport and Social League here in Sacramento. After games is the opportunity to go to the local pub, presumably to “meet people”. I have not asked about the success ratio of hookups or of relationships, but the potential is absolutely there. The league actually has non-game related pub crawls as well, if the emphasis on “social” hasn’t yet gotten through to you.

Note: photo galleries show a severe lack of fatties. Two of the top five hottest women where I work (one of whom is single) are in those pictures.

What ElGuapo said. You have to talk to them eventually. IM’ing just delays the day of reckoning.

Memorize this phrase: “how did your team do tonight?” You have just learned a successful opening line that works 99% of the time in post-game-bar social sport-league situations. (“Works” in this case meaning “starts a nice conversation,” which is the toughest part.)

ElGuapo, we can hang out anytime you’re in Dallas.

Oh, and mercy me, there’s an end of season kickball party tomorrow. Life is good.

Goddammit, look at my location. PAY ATTENTION. JESUS.

There are no fewer than four kickball leagues in Dallas proper, and several more in the Metroplex area.

Shockingly, here’s the website: http://www.kickball.com/

GO THERE AND SIGN UP. The Spring leagues start next week. It’s $65, buys you a T-Shirt, two awesome parties with free beer (mid-season and end of season), plus drink specials on game nights at whatever your league bar happens to be. Oh, and the games themselves.

I play Tuesday in the TX-Liberty league. Our bar is Liar’s Den on McKinney. If that league works for you, great, if not the others are cool, too (I usually go to their parties, too – $5 for kickball players who aren’t in the league having the party).

And conversation is easy at these things. Talk about the games, then go play flip cup and talk about that. Eventually one or both of you will have enough beer that shyness isn’t an issue.

That sounds pretty much exactly the opposite of enjoyable to me.

I’ve seen some extremely hot women at Texas (bunch of leagues in Austin) kickball leagues. Seriously.

— Alan

Give it up Damien, Brian would clearly rather pine for pages here than shut dowm the computer and interact with actual people.

I can’t speak for Brian, but I would like to find a congregation of women who believe kickball is a waste of their precious lives.

  • I have the same difficulties as Brian. Like him, I am only comfortable in task-oriented social situations, and like him, I’m very hesitant to chat up strangers because of my interpersonal shortcomings.

You want to meet a congregation of antisocial women?

Because that’s what these leagues exist for – to socialize. Kickball (or broomball, or whatever) is just an ice-breaking mechanism. And a damned effective one, at that.

Bonus: it’s hard to play a game designed for fourth-graders and simultaneously be a stuck-up douchebag. Kickball and stuff like it self-selects for laid-back, fun people.

I’ve met more people through kickball than any other three things combined. PEOPLE, not just dates, mind you. Some of my good friends are kickball guys and girls. In fact, I think if you join a league thinking “I must hook up” then you’re going about it all wrong. Far better to sign up with the attitude “I am going to meet some cool people and have some fun.” The dating stuff takes care of itself after that.

Is it anything like ultimate frisbee leagues? I don’t think I’d want to hang out with most ultimate frisbee-ers.

When I was working in the US for a couple of months last year I joined in with their kickball team a few times. I did not particularly enjoy the “game” part of it (and contrary to Damien’s point, I found there were plenty of guys who took it way, way too seriously) but as a means to meet people, including attractive girls, it’s pretty good.

However, if you’re the kind of person who just doesn’t enjoy social situations, drinking etc., then I can see how it would be a poor fit.

If you’re the kind of person who just doesn’t enjoy social situations, you should probably just give up and never leave your mom’s basement.

note not directed at garin… directed at the joyless misanthropes that can’t imagine having fun with adult kickball.

The engineering & architect softball league I was in had too many competitive people and not enough attractive girls, but I guess that’s a little different sort of animal.

Too many sliderules.