Cool.

divorced’s post seems a lot like how vanilla people react to kink. You don’t get it, that’s fine; cut the antagonism out of your tone if you don’t want to seem like you’re passing judgment, which you have no right to regardless.

shrug

It’s true that OkCupid has a stupendous volume of polyamorous/polyfaithful people. Also what my non-straight people refer to as ‘queer’ (and when did that word stop being insulting? I’d have been punched in the face for using queer as a casual catch-all term six years ago…).

A lot of gay/bi people, but also - and more interestingly - a lot of transsexuals/transgendered people, and some genuinely intersexed people. Some of them have some pretty epic stories to tell, too.

I don’t know what it is about OkCupid which attracts them more than other sites, but it does seem that way.

“polyfaithful” seems like the biggest oxymoron on the planet. But I suppose it makes sense in a sort of “You selfish bastard” way…

I don’t take offense because I understand that some people will think what my wife and I do is completely alien to them.

So here is what has happened since the last time I posted.

Thursday we went to our first Polyamor discussion group held at a Unitarian church. We felt so welcomed right off the bat and basically just rambled on about us for two hours to the group. They were super friendly and had some great advice. They even said we had a very healthy relationship! First time we heard that :) lol.

So the couple that run the group, I guess there is this primary and secondary think and sometimes two primaries. So the couple, he has his wife and two secondary women who he has been seeing for about 7 or 8 years. She has her husband and another secondary man who she has been seeing for about the same amount of time. Secondary man seems to be more in tune with them having met family members, takes vacations and whatnot.

edit: We also had our first “pushy” experience. The guy was not into any conversation or getting to know each other. Was looking at his watch the whole time and told Jen and I “You guys ready to fuck?” We both looked at each other then back at him and said “Yeah. Uh maybe next time.” His wife was totally embarrassed though she was having a great time with Jen and I.

We got some new dates setup for next weekend. Two couples we met through OKC. The poly group is having a family friendly BBQ tomorrow which Jen and I will be attending. Things are looking up.

When our female friend gets back from NY, we are thinking of bringing her to the poly meetings as well since she is part of our family unit.

So as for some of the questions…Its about the emotional connection and being completely honest with each other. So if I came home and Jen was banging some guy, I don’t think I would necessarily be pissed off at the actual act, but more mad she didn’t trust me enough to let me know she was banging some guy. Like why would she have to hide it? That would be more of a problem for me because that would hint at larger trust issues that need to be resolved.

You’ll have to wait for divorced to run his response through me before I can post it here. Thank you for your patience.

lol np.

As for rules, there is only one. Always have honest communication with each other no matter what. That’s it. If she asks me how I feel, I tell her but I don’t tell her she can’t do something. That her decision to make; not mine. She does the same for me.

And so far, it is a lot of work. A lot more work than when I was single 15 years ago. It’s hard to meet not just one person but two that are compatible with the both of us. Insanely hard.

What’s oxymoronic about it? Is a 3-way, committed, long-term relationship (for example) somehow not “faithful” in the same way that a 2-person relationship of the same nature is?

That seems somewhat… arbitrary. :)

Of course, I say this never having done the poly- thing, and not particularly intending to. I have too many anxieties/issues to be comfortable with it, even though it seems somewhat unreasonable to, say, be worried that I’ll “lose” my girlfriend to some guy she’s banging rather than someone she’s actually forming an intellectual and emotional connection with as a friend.

'cause logically, to me, I should be worried about the latter, more than the former, but I’m not worried about the latter in the slightest. Whatever, humans don’t have to make sense. :)

I know - I get what it means, it just seems contradictory. It’s like on the one hand I get exactly what you’re saying. And on the other it’s like “I have enough trouble holding onto one, someone’s out there with a long-term committed relationship with more than one to the point where they’ve coined a term for it? Greedy motherfuckers.”

If you can’t beat 'em…

Shoot 'em?

Okay, perfectly reasonable response. I do apologize if my post seemed condescending in any way, that was not my intention. I’ve just never actually talked to someone as open as you are about their wife actually having sex with another man, to say nothing of you approving of it. I appreciate your answer. Far be it from me to tell another man how to live, so I certainly wish you and your wife all the best!

The whole “finding another couple” angle is interesting to me. I have an acquaintance who’s in an open marriage and they’re pretty firm about not wanting to know the person their spouse is with.

They each have a secondary partner. She’s had hers since I’ve known her, which is about 7 years now. The guy has never met her husband and as far as I know, she’s never met any of his secondary partners. They’ve been married for around 20 years, open for most of it. It works really well for them.

Is “open” not the same as “poly”? Are there different rules? Or is it like queer or trans where either “open” or “poly” is the umbrella term and there are all sorts of arrangements within that?

Three words people: Savage Love Podcast.

It’s been said here many times before, but I have to concur. It’s so great. And so many of these posts become so much easier to understand.

-xtien

I just recently moved to Houston TX (really the northern suburbs) and I naturally had to leave all my friends and social life behind. I’m a college student so I don’t really have that much trouble meeting and talking to new people, but finding a great person to date is essentially a numbers game so, that combined with the fact that I essentially know nobody locally, I figured that now would be a great time to try out this new-fangled online dating whatchamacallit. I’ve never done this before so I’m going into it with no previous knowledge nor expectations. If I meet someone special, then hooray. If I don’t, then I’m no worse off then when I wasn’t online dating. Either way it should be a learning experience.

Also, this 100+ page 4000+ reply thread doesn’t have enough horror stories and portents of doom so I’ll throw my experiences onto the pile to liven the place up a bit.

I created a profile on OKC almost a week ago and have since messaged 23 different women. I’ve gotten back 2 replies and several looks at my profile followed by no response. To be fair one of the 23 women was “just looking for friends” and didn’t really live close enough for me to seriously consider anyway. I only sent her a message because she had a really interesting profile. I’m definitely not expecting that one (or any of these really) to go anywhere. So we’ll call it 22 “serious” messages.

Of the two replies so far, one has not yet responded after the first reply, but “really looks forward to talking” (it’s only been one day so no worries) and the other resulted in a few messages sent back and forth followed by a 5 hour (completely unplanned) IM session where we exchanged phone numbers and plan on calling each other sometime next week. These numbers seem in line with what I’ve read in this thread (about a 10:1 message to reply ratio) and to be honest I didn’t expect much at all the first week anyway considering my profile is largely a work-in-progress and I generally don’t know what the hell I’m doing yet.

I’ll keep things current with periodic status updates especially if anything actually gets to the real dating stage.

Dont know if I have an answer for you. For us and those we have met, everybody knows everybody. If there are any boundries (not talking about us; but others we have seen) is that there is a seperation of time; They don’t share the same time together.

For Jen and I, when we have our significant other over, we enjoy spending time with her together but she doesn’t live with us and I can honestly say, I don’t know how that would be. We have offered to have her move in with us but so far she has declined because she feels obligated to help those she lives with.

Finding one person I was compatible with was hard enough, I can’t imagine trying to find a couple who is compatible. Supersport, you are a more patient man than I.

I had my second date with the French guy who plays softball and it can be summed up in two words: SUPER GAY. It also technically lasted about 30 hours.

I should point out that although his parents were born in France and he says he loves wine, he does not speak with a cute and/or irritating French accent, as he grew up here in BC. He decided that for our second date I would be subjected to a ‘trial by fire’ where I would meet up with him at his place then head off to a local gay bar mid-afternoon to help decorate for an end-of-the-year drag show for WESA (West End Softball Association). Later we would be attending a get-together with some of his teammates followed by the show itself, then concluding with entertaining his 24 year old straight nephew and his girlfriend who had come out from Grand Prairie to watch the UFC show in Vancouver (the nephew later reported that people in the mens room were ‘doing rails’ on the tops of urinals, along with crack cocaine and other things, so it sounds like it was a grand old time).

That would be the first part of the date.

The second part was today where we would head out to the ball field at Brockton Oval in Stanley Park and he would play a game (position: first base) while I cheered from the stands (actually a red lawn chair with beer holder), after which we would retire to the clubhouse for drinking and eating with a bunch of people I don’t know (the recurring theme throughout). His team won 9-6 and after foolishly declining his offer of sunscreen before the game started, I won a free sunburn on my arms and legs.

So my weekend was spent almost exclusively around ‘you people’ (as they call us in Grand Prairie) and I’d almost forgotten how much gay men just generally kiss and hug all the time. Not that I’m objecting. The super-fit stereotype was also well-represented at the softball game. Not that I’m objecting to that, either.

The drag show was as expected – lots of guys dressed up as (un)intentionally scary-looking women. A few pulled off more convincing looks and some of the acts (the WESA show is built as a competition with each team – in this case 11 of them – each having someone representing them) were pretty elaborately staged. Crowd favorites included one who looked a bit like a German dominatrix, the one representing the team my date is on (an Asian guy appearing as ‘Gaping Ho’ – he won 2nd place), someone dressed as Cher from "If I Could Turn Back Time, complete with cane and a sign announcing “2040 Reunion Tour – I’m Back, Bitches” and the one that brought down the proverbial house – a Lady Gaga number with a pair of criminally cute guys dancing alongside the Gaga clone (she was wearing police line tape). The choreography was amazingly well-done. She went on to win first place and the cheers contributed to my temporary deafness after.

I haven’t been to a gay club in about a million years and my ears are still faintly ringing 24 hours later, probably because I was standing too close to some of the speakers in order to stay away from the nozzles spraying strange cotton candy-scented fog onto the dance floor. I had two cups of cider at the teammate meeting before the show and another during the show which, if you recall from a previous post, is normally enough to put me on the floor, sans dancing. I paced myself better this time and was eating, so I remained fully in control of my faculties, not to mention I could still feel my face at the end of the night. I even danced. A bit. Toward the end of our stay at the club my date introduced me to Bill, the youngest and cutest veterinarian I ever expect to meet. He also described him as his ‘sexless boyfriend’. I was then introduced to his partner John, presumably the boyfriend who provides the sex part.

The French softball guy is in many ways the opposite of me – an extrovert who loves to dance and mingle, really super-outgoing, whereas I tend to be rather quiet, especially around people I don’t know (read: this entire weekend). I think I made it through the ‘trial by fire’ okay, though. We established a rapport almost immediately and because of that we never had that awkward dance around whether or not we were on a date (in my experience, first dates often feel more like job interviews). I’ve also not felt so physically comfortable with another date before – and I’m not referring to the ol’ sex thing. We just seem to click that way.

Our schedules next mutually free up on Wednesday so that’s when we’re getting together again. I think I am officially dating now. It’s kind of weird and could blow up like before, but right now it’s a nice feeling and I’ll take it.

On the whole poly thing, HK used to have a legal status of “concubine”. Basically giving legal protection to mistresses and any children they might have. Was abolished sometime in the 70’s.

As for the shaving/ not shaving. Heh. I have a thing for unshaven women. I knew one relationship was breaking up when she did start shaving her armpits again…

The more you add, the more difficult it gets. Hello Dr. Bartlett!