Fixed. Come on man!

This reeks of ‘nice guy/friend zone forever’ syndrome. When you’re with a woman is it possible she might think you’re falling over yourself to please her every whim, or are you making an effort to get what you want out of your interactions as well (be it conversational topics, stuff you do together, music you listen too, whatever). Are you standing up for yourself is all I wanna know.

Obviously you’re not glad he came.

I hate to agree with Kerzain, but he might have a point. Don’t be so nice. You can be fun and flirty and also make fun of your compatriot for that day’s festivities. Being funny beats out being nice every time.

Well shit, if Demon is agreeing with me I obviously fucked up somewhere.

I know this has been talked about a few times before, but this thread is huge and I forget where.

Is OkCupid the best all-around online dating site? Are there other good alternatives? I’ve heard some things about eharmony being connected to Christians that make me wary of it.

Cory,

When I was dating a lot, OKCupid had the best results in terms of meeting great people out of the many dating sites I’ve been enrolled in. I don’t know about being associated with Christians – that’s more likely eHarmony – but I didn’t get that at OKC.

Good luck!

I don’t get it either. I labeled myself atheist and still got into eHarmony.

I do stand up for myself, and I’m actually pretty sarcastic/flirty with most people, but there’s definitely a couple girls where I’ve felt like wouldn’t appreciate me making fun of them and probably erred too much on the side of nice guy. I don’t really think “negs” are the answer I’m looking for, and I’m pretty aggressive with what I want, it’s just that sometimes what I want is to do something, and I’m flexible about what that is, so I aggressively pursue ways to do something the girl’s interested in, which might come off as “falling over myself to please her every whim.”

It’s a fine line, though, since a lot of girls seem to prefer a guy to take charge but don’t want to be constantly dragged out to things they aren’t into. So I guess I just need to be more conscious of it and when I find she’s interested in something just say something like, “Yeah, that might be fun” and then wait a bit before suggesting a plan to go do it.

Regarding OKC vs. other sites, the only other ‘all-purpose’ site I’ve used extensively is plentyoffish.com. I would rate them thusly:

1 = terrible, you are better off looking for dates at the county morgue
10 = you will find eternal love and live the rest of your life sharing a beanbag chair with your perfect match

OkCupid: 7/10. Great interface, slick presentation, lots of the ‘f’ word (fun). Biggest downside is the smaller number of people on it, but that is also region-dependent, so it varies.

plentyoffish.com: -500/10. Okay, okay…3/10. Terrible interface pretty much torpedoes everything else that might be good. There are more people signed up on it than OKC but because the site is essentially static, the higher number can be deceiving. A lot of people probably make profiles there, check out others for a bit then realize they’d rather go watch arc welding or something else that’s easier on the eyes.

I really haven’t come across any other decent/free general focus dating sites. eHarmony and match.com both have significant knocks against them for reasons discussed somewhere in the labyrinthine depths of this thread and beyond those, you start getting more into sites tailored toward specific types (which is dandy if you’re one of those types).

Chemistry.com works alright, with the biggest upside vs. OKC being that the cost in order to send emails reduces the douche/flake factor slightly. I’m not sure how big that difference is, but I think that not having tons of guys with free accounts emailing every girl asking her for sex probably makes it easier for girls to actually reply to non-assholes. On the other hand, it also probably makes people who sound reasonable in an email stand out less. Since the communication Chemistry is mostly based on first being matched up, you generally get people who are at least looking for someone with the same basic parameters as you (age / sex / location, hehe). If OKC is a 7/10, I’d probably give Chemistry a 6, but then, I live in Boston so there’s tons of people on OKC around here.

eHarmony is a disaster – Steer clear of it. Not only is it expensive, but you’ve got the weird religious issues. Once you get past that, their long-term compatibility thing completely ignores short-term chemistry (i.e., are you even attracted to this person?) and the process of getting to know someone is deliberately designed to string you along to make the process take longer so they can get more money out of you. 'Nothing like wasing three weeks answering questionaires back and forth with a woman only to finally get to see her picture and realize that she is not someone you ever would have been remotely interested in in the real world.

I met my fiance on match.com. I understand there are some criticisms that folks here have about shell accounts or whatever but my experience was mostly positive. The fact that it was a paysite really filtered a lot of the crap I would imagine you get on the free sites, the interface and search functions all worked fine for me and if I found someone that interested me, I was generally able to set up a date for that weekend. I live in a rural area so I had to be a little patient to find what I was looking for but I would imagine that in an urban area you could have a different date every night until you found the right woman.

In general I thought it was a lot like looking for a house online. You scan the photos looking for something that suits your tastes, read the profile to looking for red flags and to see if it looks like a good fit then you set up an appointment to see the house in person. Generally you know the second you walk in the door. “Wow – The photos of this place were totally deceiving,” or “The mud room’s larger than any other room in the house and the masterbath is off the dining room – I could never live here.” After a while it gets discouraging but then one day you walk through a door and go, “Huh – This place is kind of neat.” 'Sometimes you fall in love with the place right off the bat (my first house) and sometimes you’re not sure but see potential and then later fall in love with the place and can’t imagine what you were thinking with your initial hesitancy (my second house).

Anyway, my jaw hit the the floor when I saw my fiance’s profile. Curiously, we didn’t hit it off right away. We took a three month break and were both on the fence for the first year after that but, whatever reservations we might have had, we made each other happy and sticking together turned out to be the best decision either of us has ever made. We could not be happier now and have zero reservations. I mention this because a lot of people are looking for perfection right off the bat.

I’m getting off track here but one other thing I’ll mention is my theory that water always finds it’s own level. On a really superficial level, 10’s are going to date 10’s, 8’s are going to date 8’s and 5’s are going to date 5’s and that’s by preference. A 5 would be miserable dating a 10 and vice versa. This isn’t something that we sort out consciously, it just sort of happens on a subconscious level. Going beyond a superficial level, though, this theory holds true for all aspects of a person – The person you date is inevitably going to be about as emotionally and mentally healthy as you are. It’s self-selecting. If the balance gets too far out of whack on any given level, the relationship either never gets off the ground or stops working and comes to an end.

On a practical level, what this means is that if you are unhappy with the quality of men/women you find yourself in relationships with, raise your water level. If you keep finding yourself in relationships with crazy people, look in the mirror. You’re probably fucked up yourself. The other trick is, once you have committed to self-growth, the ideal relationship for you is someone else who is also committed to growth. This way, you grow together. It’s a positive feedback loop and the relationship just gets better and better over time. If you have a relationship wherre one person is committed to growth and the other is not, eventually the relationship will break down.

Fiancée. Fiancé is male :)

Maybe it’s not a typo…

Would it be rude to message someone whose six photos all use Myspace Angle and politely suggest she tone that down a bit? She visits my profile a lot and it’s starting to irritate me every time I see her little thumbnail.

If you do it politely, I’d think it could only help. Something like, “All your photos are from the same angle, you mix it up a bit”

Thanks for the info, guys.

That sounds like the profile of a guy I looked at once. He had a lot of photos – maybe 8 or so – and while each photo was taken in a different place, it was from the same angle and he had the exact same expression in each one. It was like looking at a gallery of clones (and a little creepy because of it).

Worst thing that will happen is she’ll never visit you page again, which you said was already irritating you =)

Well, given the references to women in the first paragraph I figured I was on the right track.