It just shows how absolutely broken the BCS nonsense is and how much they need an actual playoff system so in the long run it will most likely be a good thing for college football. Just sucks this year for OSU which deserved the spot far more then Alabama.
robsam
1662
Yes Brett, they deserved it so much more. They lost to Iowa State, and Bama lost to LSU by three points in overtime. Your case is bullet-proof. Clearly OSU is the more deserving team.
Lorini
1663
robsam, I don’t see any rational argument that says that 'Bama should get the opportunity to be beaten by LSU again, I just don’t see it. That’s just nuts. I’m not watching. I’ll watch the rest of the Bowls, but to see a rematch of the kick Bowl is not something I’m interested in at all.
robsam
1664
Okay.
But the closest thing the SEC has to an Oregon or OSU is Arkansas, just a few weeks ago they were #3 in the BCS standings. Their games against Bama and LSU were 38-14 and 41-17 losses. That’s what you could expect (IMO) from an LSU-OSU game. More points, but boring and lopsided. At least Bama has the potential to actually compete with LSU’s athletes. Hell, they probably should have beaten LSU the first time they played. But if you want to enjoy 49-45 games between teams that can’t play defense, that’s your prerogative. I enjoy those games too, but no one else in the country, including the rest of the SEC, is on the level of talent that LSU and Alabama enjoy this year.
I don’t really care what anyone thinks will be entertaining, I want to see the two best teams play. That’s LSU and Bama. Watching OSU get blown out isn’t entertaining to me anyway.
OSU won their conference and has not already lost to LSU this season, so yes they are clearly the more deserving team.
robsam
1667
Yes, you are trolling. Or someone that knows nothing about football. Or both. Probably both. I’m beginning to understand why so many people have you on ignore.
How the hell is that a trolling comment? I can think of a half dozen or so college football experts I have heard on sports talk radio and ESPN who think the exact same thing. Just because I disagree with you doesn’t make it a trolling comment.
robsam
1669
I can’t believe I’m doing this.
OSU lost to IOWA STATE! Do you have ANY IDEA how bad Iowa State is??
Alabama lost by three points to LSU!! In OVERTIME! Do you have ANY IDEA how good LSU is??
The two best teams in football this season are playing for the MNC, they got it right.
We all would prefer a playoff of some sort, but this year the two best teams are in the BCS title game. OSU could have gotten there via polls and computers, but they lost to the equivalent of a top level high school team.
Okay, that isn’t fair, ISU isn’t that bad, but they are no LSU.
And Alabama already lost to LSU and didn’t win their conference why do they deserve to be in the national championship against a team they already lost to?
OSU beat (at the time of playing them) the #8 #10 #14 and #22 ranked teams in the country.
Alabama beat (at the time of playing them) the #12 #14 #23 and #24 ranked teams in the country.
Its not as cut and dry insanity or trolling to think that OSU deserves to be in the championship game as you think it is.
robsam
1671
Except it is for rational people.
The “didn’t win their own conference” argument is the one that helps me identify people that don’t know what the fuck they are talking about, and you’re not the only one on QT3 that trots this idiocy out so don’t take it too personally. The comparative strength of schedule argument, while still not compelling, at least makes sense.
Put it this way, both Bama and LSU would have won the conference in any other conference in the nation this year undefeated, if they didn’t play in the same one.
We don’t know if Alabama would or not. We can guess they might have but by the games played they did not.
I just don’t see why they should get a second chance to play LSU, they had their chance and lost. Someone else should get a shot at them and OSU deserves that shot by their strength of schedual and being a conference champion.
I know this is the first time (and probably last time) I’ll ever say this, but I’m with Brett.
Alabama has already proven they can’t beat LSU, and they had their chance. Give another team OUTSIDE the conference that stokes their rankings by playing nobody outside their conference–the SEC is a circle-jerk, Rob–and that has you know, an actual offense (as opposed to Alabama) an chance. Hell, give LSU a chance to prove it.
Look at Bama’s schedule this year. Their only even halfway decent game outside the SEC was against Penn State, and Penn State proved how overrated they were over the course of the season. The entire SEC record is built on playing each other, and nobody else, though LSU at least did play Oregon (while half the team was out on probation, weren’t they?). (and for the record, this isn’t a criticism of the SEC, it is a criticism of the way conferences do business, and especially huge conferences. I’d love to see the NCAA rule out any conference over 8 members, with 7 in-conference games and the rest required to be outside every year, with NO games against Division 2 opponents).
Or even just for entertainment value, put OSU in there against LSU. It will be a MUCH more entertaining game than watching a rematch of a 6-6 fieldgoal fest.
But most importantly, let the SEC prove themselves on the field against a non-SEC opponent. The current setup is just ridiculous.
I’m with Lorini, and I’ve heard the same (yes, it is anecdotal) from several folks at work: I don’t think people want to see that game, and I know I won’t be watching it.
And that sort of statement is what labels you as a homer, there’s no point in arguing with you. Its flat bullshit, and it can’t be proved because they won’t put it on the field.
robsam
1675
“But most importantly, let the SEC prove themselves on the field against a non-SEC opponent. The current setup is just ridiculous.”
You don’t have to dig real deep to find that LSU alone defeated the Pac whatever and Big East Conference champs in the regular season. Easily.
Lemme ask you this: given the same setup, would you be argueing for a Stanford-USC national championship game?
Put it this way, both Bama and LSU would have won the conference in any other conference in the nation this year undefeated, if they didn’t play in the same one.
Unprovable at best, and more of an arguement for a playoff at least.
robsam
1677
I’ve already admitted I’m a homer upthread. Don’t listen to me, that’s fine, but listen to the talking heads that Brett mentioned earlier on ESPN and talk radio. Most of them are saying more or less what I’m saying albiet much more diplomatically in most cases.
robsam
1678
Abso-fucking-lutely, which is why I get so bent out of shape over the “didn’t win their own conference” argument.
If Ohio State and Michigan were head and shoulders better than the rest of the nation, I would TOTALLY support a rematch between them for a MNC. Same for Stanford-USC, or any other combo you produce.
There are also a significant number who dont agree with you. So again its not as cut and dry and idiotic to disagree with you as you make it out to be.
But they AREN’T head and shoulders above everyone else, only LSU is, OSU is in the same discussion as Alabama, they had a tougher schedual then Alabama did and beat better teams. That to me balances out the loss to a lesser team.
