I want the AAR on this game so bad… I really want to know where everyone’s head was at on that…

As far as I can tell Nate, < 10 of Scribble’s guys survived… you should share the turn file after the game so we can see the replay… that had to be epic…

You assume wrong. Will take Scribble a bit longer for a siege army. I think it’s over.

I guess that was a fat Oracle singing rather than a fat lady?

If not Scribble, then Austen has a massive army nearby.

Well, everything’s quiet on my side of the world and i have not scouts to see what you guys are talking about…so hopefully someone fills me in if the game is over or not.

Ok I promised I’d give a free copy in exchange for the copy I received, so first come first serve for a free copy of Dominions 3.

I would like to have one

PM your email address so I can gift copy you one over desura.

Legend! :)

I have not forgotten about this…

So far I have the following people. I’ll throw in as well, as I’ve not come close to winning a game and there has not been a lot of uptake.

Bossman, think you’d be interested in jumping in at the deep end with your Dominions career (That’s what I did - it worked out ok)?

Anyone else up for a game, keeping in mind we’ll have two, maybe three MP newbies.

Contestants:
Scamper
Morberis
sharaleo

Cross posted from the What’s up with being unable to buy Dominions 3? thread, in case there are some other new/potential players around not watching both threads.

What follows is content from a PM I sent to a couple of new players here at QT3 as a primer to getting into the game, might as well share my thoughts openly, the TL/DR version of which is - RTFM, play the included tutorial, jump straight into multiplayer.

Couple of caveats:
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[li]Without intending to imply the single player experience is no good (it’s great), I believe Dominions shines as a multiplayer game. You can learn the ropes with single player, but it won’t expose you to the techniques, strategy and diplomacy employed in MP. Some of this I don’t really think you can learn in SP, but once you have, it can make SP a much less rewarding experience - beyond testing MP strategies. YMMV of course and there was a recent post in the main thread about single player, but I can’t for the life of me find it.[/li]> [li]Unbeknownst to me, apparently the Shrapnel forum has been dying a slow death, with a spate of bannings and senior members moving on. See Calahan’s excellent post for additional online discussion/resources. Ignore the, um, politics at the beginning of the post… ;)[/li]> [li]Shrapnel is not the only service offering hosting of games, but it is pretty much the only one I am familiar with.[/li]> [li]We do have a long buried info thread here on QT3 with a bunch more useful information.[/li]> [/ul]

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First up, there is a Dominions 3 manual in the install directory. It is one of the best game manuals ever, written by QT3’s very own Brooski, way back when. There have been many, many patches since then, but the manual is still one of the best resources for understanding various mechanics, as most of the formulae are shown. It’s big, but you don’t necessarily need to read it cover to cover to get started. There is a really nice tutorial in the first 30 pages or so, run through that, then pick and choose other bits that interest you when a situation comes up in game. I think I followed the tutorial, played a couple of SP games, then joined my first MP game here on QT3. Playing SP won’t really prepare you for MP, so you may as well jump right in.

Online Resources
There are a couple of excellent online resources for looking up nations, items, units, spells, strategy guides, etc.

The two best/most popular ones are:

Dominions 3 Wiki

Really good alternative wiki that includes deeper detail and includes the changes that various popular mods make.

The most widely used forum for discussing Dominions 3 is Shrapnel’s, which can be found below. Heaps and heaps of strategy advice here for all sorts of situational stuff you may come up against.

Shrapnel Dominions 3 Forum

Multiplayer
On the note of MP, be prepared to lose a fair bit early on, but like DF, losing can be fun! You will also always learn some new strategy or tactic from being beaten. Players on QT3 will also be more than happy to explain in detail exactly how they beat you post game - they’ll even offer advice on what you could have done to counter if you ask! Being the actual winner of a MP game is a rare event you can cherish and tell your kids about in the years to come. I have yet to come close.

Diplomacy is very important when playing MP, so don’t neglect communicating with your neighbours and negotiating Non-agression pacts (NAPs), trades, intel, joint military strikes, etc. Obviously none of that is in SP, which is why it does not really prepare you for MP.

A good Shrapnel forum link here details some pretty well accepted MP etiquette:

Not bad intro to Multiplayer Etiquette

Most MP games on QT3 tend to be hosted on Llamaserver. This is essentially a scripted linux box that a Shrapnel user (Llamabeast) set up years ago that automatically hosts many Dominions 3 MP games at the same time. Any user can use it to set up and host their own game. Players create their Pretenders then email the Pretender file to Llamaserver, which starts the game when all players have submitted. Players then play their turns and email the resulting file to Llamaserver, which hosts the turn and sends back the next turn. Pretty easy to use once you have done it once and there is a helpful FAQ on the Shrapnel forum.

http://www.llamaserver.net/

Llamaserver FAQ

Mods and Maps
There are quite a few mods and custom maps that commonly used in MP games. Typically the person setting up the game will advise which mods will be used. Most mods and maps can be pretty easily found via search on the Shrapnel forums, but there is also a mod and map browser on Llamaserver which will link you to the various files. Mods can contain lots of files (depending on what the mod does) and are typically copied/extracted into your Dominions 3/mods folder, then activated from the main menu as required. Maps contain two files (.tga and .map) which are copied into your Dominions 3/maps folder. They are then visible when selecting a map in the game creation phase, or just used automatically if you are joining a MP game.

Phew, that’s a lot of info! Take your time with it, no rush. Feel free to ask any questions in the forum, you will get plenty of help. Once you are comfortable, keep an eye out for a new game being started and jump right in.

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I enjoy playing here on Qt3, but Calahan has told me I’m not allowed to play in newbie games anymore ;) So if you can get enough folks without me, that would be cool, but if you need bodies, I’m prob up for playing. I might make more sense if it were mixed skill and perhaps handicapped some way (maybe experienced people get “weak” nations as decided by an outside vet).

This also might be a good spot for Nate to jump in as he doesn’t want to play games I’m in, he could get in on this one and I could pass…

Lastly, I think you get more signups when you are officially starting a game and have some parameters (Age, Mods, etc… ). When it’s more tangible, people tend to be more willing to jump in.

I’ll keep you posted.

If anything, the chances of beating Scribble are better than they have been at any point since Nate decided to abandon attacking Scribble to go after me. Scribble and Nate just lost big armies. I don’t know what their intentions were on that turn, but regardless, those armies being removed offers a a bit of hope.

Having said that though, there’s still not much hope :P The basic overall position isn’t that much changed. Scribble is still in an almost overwhelmingly powerful position. Nate sort of intimated earlier that maybe Scribble had made some sort of promise not to try and win. I don’t know the details of it obviously, but since then, it’s really just been a matter of waiting until Scribble decides it’s Winning Time.

SO… the game is not any more over than it was a week ago, really.

I dont know about Shrapnel dying a slow death. It still seems to have as many posts/threads as any other forum (except maybe SomethingAwful). The death might be more wishful.

And while LLamaServer is wonderful (I was glad to help with that) I quietly mention that Dom3Minions has been around longer. :)
The main difference is mostly direct-connect, and not limited to a menu for setups or admin.

By the way, an important thing for the incoming swarm of new interest. Dom3Minions runs Dom3 demo games continually or private ones on request.

I’d advise learning to at least beat the easy or normal AI before jumping into MP.

there’s a line bruce (i’ll be familiar here, even though i dont know the guy at all - i suppose i could go ‘sir bruce’ or ‘dr geryk’, but i’ll just go with bruce, cause he’s seems like he’s a good bruce) writes in the manual to the effect of 'just because someone says something is the best thing doesnt mean it’s the best thing, because if it adds to your enjoyment, that’s what’s important (that’s alot of paraphrasing, and yes, i have the direct line, and no, my paraphrasing is fine for my purpose, thank you).

So in consideration of this, two questions:

  1. what is your favorite magic path and why (note, this is not, what is the most useful, or best, but your favorite)? and
  2. what is your least favorite nation(age) to play and why?

Just curious.

I dunno, i was thinking about this a bit today…(hence the question)…and now that dr hendricks has a claim to me a bit (thanks to a xmas party), i’ll answer…

  1. I love air. I love lightning, and thunderstrike, and orb lightning, and mistform, and fog warriors, and cloud-trapeze. Then throw in wind-guide, phantasmal warrior, rain, mist and hurricane, call of the winds, seeking arrow, and arrow fend. Finally displacement armors, feather armors, and light, effective shields…man, i love air. I won’t argue that astral, earth, fire and death, dont have their place, but no other path for me does what air does

  2. Gotta say, maybe coinciding with the above, but pangaea just isnt doing it for me. Heavy nature. Heavy earth. I like the stealth troops, but all-in-all, they just dont do anything for me. Previously, i had got ulm(late), which i thought was bad…but Pan…ugh…i so don’t want to play it for a while.

Don’t care for blood magic. Just part of who and what I am. I spent a couple of years not using blood at all. Once I got over my squeamishness and thought of it as a game mechanic instead of a bit of role playing, I STILL hate the micromanagement involved.

Least favorite age…The middle age. I like the developed stories behind the late age where some of my favorite nations reside and I love the easy flow of gems/mages in the early age.

Least favorite nation…Mavarni. I’m still not sure what to do with those guys once you are past the conquer the indie phase of the game. Decent earth/nature/astral pathed mages if I recall, but you’ve got to have something on the field besides battle mages.

Favorite magic path is probably astral. Mobility, communions, endgame power, all good stuff. Hate to play without at least S1 access, but fortunately lizard shamans are fairly common.

I don’t think I’ve played any nations I didn’t like. Always seems possible to find a competitive way to play a nation with the right plan. Often have the most fun trying to make a weaker nation shine and making the best of bad circumstances.

dfs: I would LOVE to play Marverni. Right up my alley.

This right here. This is the pure beauty of Dominions. Rather than rigidly programmed counters (ie Starcraft), provide enough options that there is always an available counter to a given threat, given enough intelligence and preparation time.

To my mind, the MASSIVE asymmetry in Dom3, defeats carefully ‘constructed’ balance every time. I don’t think I realised this when I started playing, but have begun to appreciated it more over time.

/I’m drunk -that took a long time to type correctly.