So when someone suggests a cop might be biased because of his ethnicity, it’s racism?
I’m not sure that it’s “Not white” that is totally the key, @Timex. I’d hazard that “Not people I actually know” is part of the picture. People need to rub elbows with people before they can de-abstractify them.
Daagar
1588
And this is why we have President Trump folks. Awesome.
I’m also guessing that a huge factor in this election was people sounding condescending, sarcastic, and smug. I urge us all – even though this is the internet – to try our damnedest to avoid sounding like any of those things.
Daagar
1590
To the contrary. Shouting lies, sexual assault, what have you - that’s how you get things done. This is the new law of the land, supported from the top and by 75% of the people. Decency is old hat, part of a bygone era propped by Crooked people.
It’s difficult to argue against that, @Daagar, given what we just witnessed. Still, I believe that Hillary would have won the election had she not uttered the phrase “basket of deplorables”, and had so many supporters not sounded like smug bastards. That includes me.
Timex
1592
Yes?
I mean, shit, yes. Isn’t this obvious?
If you said that someone couldn’t be a cop, because he was white, that would obviously be racist.
So, someone suggesting that white cops might be biased against, say black people, would be a racist.
Got it.
I’ll repeat what I’ve said many times. The, not at all secret, thing about this election, is many if not most votes for this election were not for a candidate but against the other turkey.
It is much easier to understand this election if you don’t think of how could a black man or white woman vote for Trump.
Rather listen to what so many people said. “I know Trump said awful things, but crooked Hillary did bad things and got special treatment. I know Hillary will do nothing to help me, so I’m going to take a chance that maybe Trump will.”
Desperate people do desperate things.
It would be racist if they said that because of their whiteness they were automatically biased against black people.
But almost nobody is saying that.
A lot of people are saying that police have an institutional bias of racial intolerance towards black people due to police culture, not white culture.
Timex
1596
Yeah, saying that they can’t perform their duties due to their race is quite obviously racist.
Did you expect me to say something else? Do you somehow disagree?
Assuming that, then I would say people who support BLM are racists, because the premise that white cops are biased against blacks is a racist assertion. Do you somehow disagree?
I disagree. I think many if not the vast majority of BLM supporters include implicit white racism as a reason.
Timex
1598
That isn’t the premise of black lives matter.
To be clear, if someone was arguing that people were incapable of being cops, because of their whiteness, then yes, they would clearly be racists.
I think it’s probably hard to find many people, even among BLM supporters, who claim that all white people are racist.* If people are saying that, sure, those people clearly exhibit anti-white prejudice (I.e. racism).
From a personal perspective, I have no problem acknowledging that anti-white bias / racism exists. It’s particularly easy to identify in countries without a white ethnic majority.
* By which I mean personally racist, i.e. setting aside things like subconscious bias / societal racism, etc, which is what most people are referring to when they say “everybody is racist”, but those impact black people, too.
Timex
1600
Just as a point of clarification, Malthor, are you trying to point out summer hypocrisy, or are you legitimately saying that shit isn’t racist?
Papageno
1601
How do you jump from the idea that “saying a cop might be biased because of his ethnicity” is racist (which it is–one’s ethnicity does not automatically determine one’s biases) to saying it’s racist to suggest that white cops might be biased against black people? That’s a logical non-sequitur. White cops, black cops, Latino cops etc. might be biased against black people (especially implicitly, unconsciously biased) because our general cultural history as Americans still has a legacy of racism. It’s not the ethnicity of someone that’s the cause of racist bias (whether blatant or implicit) but the culture/upbringing/self-awareness/thoughtfulness/social-professional milieu of the particular individual.
kerzain
1602
There seems to be some disagreement amongst Clinton’s base on where to place blame for this election, as Hillary begins to open up about her loss.
In a conference call with her top donors, she avoids taking any responsibility for her loss and explicitly redirects blame to the 11th-hour Comey letters. Her biggest donors take issue with the blame shift and blame her campaign’s unclear message for the white working class, and her decisions to use the private email server in the first place.
I reject the NY Times assertion that there is good data to suggest it was the Comey letter, and offer this.
If you looked at one poll that got the election right the LA Times poll Trump 46.9% (although it did miss on Hillary votes ).
You will see, that there was modest rise in Trump support and decline in Hillary support right after the 3rd debate (which was his best.) But virtually no change from the Comey letters. Given that the LA Times poll was the only one to track the same individuals, I think its far more likely to accurately reflect the impact of events on individual voters, than other methods.
For the former, sure.
For the latter: I mean really? We’re going to re-litigate a 7 year old decision …again? I know they’re upset, but FFS, you know?
Did you see the data dump from the RNC polling group? They showed them losing badly for months ahead but then surging closer in the last 2 weeks. Clinton apparently had stopped polling by then, so was blindsided. Even as soon as the last weekend the RNC didn’t think they had the EVs to win, but were closing fast. Seems to have started right after the Comey leaked memo, so it is a plausible timeline.
Also, what are the chances we will find out soon that RudyG was of course talking to the NY FBI office which was pushing the Clinton indictment plan. He hinted at it, but then denied it, but that office was leaking like a sieve and they will probably let out some bragging to take credit after inauguration or when Comey is replaced.
