One of my engineers is from Wisconsin, where I’ve encountered the best snow drivers I’ve seen anywhere, but he pointed out once that even though everyone there knows how to drive in the snow, every year when the first snowfall hits, you see a million cars in the ditch because people seemingly forget wtf they’re doing.

Also, ice doesn’t care how good a snow driver you are. Black ice on a grade and you’re in the grip of gravity. (I speak from experience)

Yeah, it is always amusing (NOT) to go around a corner or a curve and discover that there is black ice below. You suddenly vividly learn the meaning of Newton’s Second Law.

I like how often these crackpots say “No one is reporting/talking about it”. Like, yeah, there’s a reason for that.

“I have nothing but love for Jews, but they are systematically trying to murder us all!” is certainly a take.

Why would we need a vaccine when we have a space laser? And so many skilled mohels to operate it?

Shouldn’t we be starting a WTF, 2022 thread for this stuff. And yeah, Jewish space lasers makes it obvious this guy is wrong and just a whacko.

I’m a hateful nutcase and yeah this lunacy sounds crazy but I love them and they’re trying to kill us.

If the roads are truly bad I will intentionally take dirt roads into town just because I worry more about other drivers than I do about the roads themselves. Plus they’re less likely to be covered in ice since far fewer people drive on them.

And black ice is easily the greatest hazard you’ll deal with. And due to the nature of it, you’re less likely to expect it. The best conditions for black ice to form are when it’s been very cold and the ground is frozen, and then the air temp rises a bit above freezing and it starts to rain, especially at night. I think it was 36 degrees outside when I encountered black ice on my way to work a few years ago. I saw a small branch in my lane so I casually steered left to avoid it, and immediately lost all traction and began spinning left, corrected and spun halfway to the right, and then thankfully reached dry pavement.

If you ever find yourself on black ice, assuming the road is straight, the best thing to do is keep the wheel straight, let off the gas, and don’t hit the brakes. As long as you’re rolling straight you’ll be fine. If you hit the brakes you’ll lock up your tires and lose any kind of stability. If you turn one way or another you’ll begin to spin, which you likely won’t be able to recover from unless you hit dry pavement.

If you need to stop? Good luck. This is why you shouldn’t be driving above 35 mph in icy conditions.

Oh and 4WD may not help with braking, but it actually does help a bit with slowing down while coasting because of the extra drag on the drivetrain, and helps a lot when it comes to recovering from a spin.

@Woolen_Horde could update the thread title. It’s Qt3, we’re severely limited on the number of available threads and probably shouldn’t start a new one!

Why is it always, “they are totally trying to do this terrible thing that we already did, I know it!” Maybe stop setting the fucking low bar, eh?

2020 has been the longest decade of the year, by far.

It’s only 2022, Lemon.

Yet another reason I love my manual transmission. Gear braking ftw.

Fortunately you can “downshift” most automatics these days. A feature I use constantly driving over the mountains here.

Though I didn’t mean for this to be a weather crossover thread, while we’re on it…

Another thing that areas with only occasional snowfall don’t have is a population of people in jacked up, off road tired, winch front, Chevy pickup trucks who go around during storms just recreationally rescuing people. After living out here several years, and getting pulled out in two different scenarios by such Samaritans, I look at jacked up trucks in a different light now.

I was one of those idiots heading down 80 eastbound over the sierras in the big storm before Christmas. When unprepared people spinning out in the passes closed 80 down google found a shortcut around the mess. I was stupid enough to follow it.

The road it took us down hadn’t been plowed but it didn’t look bad (at first). I often drive over worse in my “Trailhawk” Jeep that I bought specifically to deal with snow. And surely other vehicles have recently navigated this path successfully, right google?

The “road” narrowed and got slicker as some rain fell on top of the snow. The name of the road changed to “PG&E Road”. This gave me some idea of how fucked I now was. I’m on a poorly, if at all, graded and unpaved service road in the mountains. It’s too narrow to do a 14 point turn and turn around. Plus I can’t even risk that in the snow/slush/ice surface. I’m pretty sure if I stop I’m going to be stuck.

At one point there’s an ambiguous fork. I choose wrong. It just a cut uphill that goes up to a closed gate to a reservoir. Fortunately there’s a cut back to the road so I don’t have stop to turn around. I head down it.

Unfortunately the cut back down to the road had a bit of a iced over drainage made by rain and meltwater that grabbed a tire and slid me into the small ditch along the side of the road. It was not much more than a foot deep, but enough that my underbelly was on the packed snow of the road. With two tires in a slushy ditch I was going nowhere.

After a very brief panic attack and numerous apologies to the wife for our potential wintery demise given the feet of snow forecasted to fall on us, I assessed our supplies. I foolishly hadn’t put the full winter kit in the car (fold up shovel, sandbag, snatch strap). Fortunately, for my regret levels at least, none of it would have really helped. I did have Mylar blankets, water and some food in the form of granola bars I keep in the car for emergencies and post-hike hunger, and pastries from the amazing bakery near my mother in law’s house in San Francisco (the reason I was driving home in a blizzard instead of before was the prior night was her birthday).

Also in our favor was that we had cell signal. As I assessed our supplies, and realizing I was shovel-less found a sturdy branch to futility dig with, my wife called AAA. To their credit they didn’t laugh. They said at best it’d be two hours. They later cancelled as there was no way to get to us. But we didn’t get the call as fortunately…

Not long after I abandoned my branch digging efforts I heard rumbling. A sort of revving sound accompanied by a slushy scraping. It was not long after the hero of the day appeared. An old orange jacked up Chevy pickup with round knobby tires (didn’t even need chains) comes uphill towards up flinging snow behind.

I wave at them and make hallelujah to the sky as the three gentlemen pile out. The driver has on reflective orange work pants with a camo hoodie and Daryll and his other brother Daryll are wearing camo onesies.

The driver greets me with “You look like you need a beer” and proffers a tall boy of Coors. I politely decline. I have no idea how many more hours I have of driving at this point and, well, Coors.

My trailhawk has hooks on the bumpers specifically for being a haulee or hauler so we hook up the winch and start unstucking. Since this was on a downward slope with a right tilt (into the ditch) it took some work. He had to get uphill behind us and block off on a tree to pull us diagonally out of the ditch.

They told me I was less than half a mile from pavement and it should be easy going from here. In gratitude I gave the gentlemen my Arizmendi’s pastries. Given that I kind of look like Greg Allman in transitions glasses one made a hopeful joke about the contents of the cookie. I reassured/disappointed him. Coors told me to give Daryll(1) the cookie because he’s the one who suggested they hit the snowy service road for fun. (I asked but forgot their actual names because I’m terrible with names. The Larry, Daryll and Daryll joke is not meant to disrespect.)

We made it back to 80 to learn eastbound was totally closed off. Had to drive all the way back to 50 to south lake and on to Reno. 50 was packed snow. So many idiots holding things up ignoring all the other cars putting on chains until they got up to the checkpoint. I think it took another five hours. Glad I didn’t have that Coors. Still, total respect for dudes in jacked up trucks that really use them.

Later my wife found there’s a Facebook group to get together people who need their sorry asses pulled out of a snowy ditch with people who love to pull others out of snow ditches for fun (or money).

Guys, check out my new NFT

Is that real? I do better work in MS Paint for one off jokes here in the forum.

Oh god, it’s real.

You know, given my love of absurdist humor I really have to stop complaining about the timeline I’ve found myself in.

I don’t know what triggers me more, the dreams in the witch house misalignment of the circles and the text, or the unnecessary rotation of the eagle.

There’s a lot to love in that image. The eagle flying away from the county, while a pick-axe hovers menacingly over its head. The fact that the messages around the seal are at 2 different orientations. The ‘y’ letter that is breaking through the seal. The eagle wing that is breaking through the seal and above the seal, while the shovel is beneath it. The fact that “Francois” clearly is not following the curve of the seal and is instead doing its own thing.

(edit: sniped by Thrag)

(oh wow and it looks like they erased a corner of the bible that was intruding on the eagle’s wing?)

Yeah, but nowhere near the same really. At least in most cases, you don’t get the same level of resistance you get from good old fashioned downshifting. I’ve tried it in a few automatics, and wasn’t impressed. But it’s better than nothing I guess.

On the one hand, yeah. On the other, overt Christian imagery always freaks me out a bit when I see it on government stuff. I am not that fond of “In God We Trust,” but actual crosses and bibles and stuff cuts a bit too close to pogrom territory. Though as absurdist reality-humor, that seal is priceless for sure.

Oh yeah, been saved by one of these guys myself, though I was, um, on (or off) a main road a few miles from home at the time, and it was over twenty years ago. But it is a thing even here in the East, the home of the original L, D, and D.

Oh my god the FONT