Now that’s an artist I haven’t thought of in a long time!

I actually really like that sappy song, “Life for Rent” and of course “Thank You” which I first heard and saw performed on SNL back when. At which point I was pretty much in love. Good Lord was she cute.

I’ve liked her songs for a long time, but I never actually really watched a video of her before. She is gorgeous, I would have liked her more if I knew how cute she was.

Returning to the bipartisanship efforts on the infrastructure legislation, I wish that the Administration would realize that they’re being rope-a-doped into wasting a bunch of precious time on said ultimately futile efforts**, just like Obama was on HCR. Push it through with budget reconciliation* and damn the torpedoes.

*provided that Manchin and Sinema will vote for it, of course.

**as someone made the analogy during the HCR negotiations, they’re akin to negotiating with someone who totally wants to go in on a pizza with you, but doesn’t want any veggies on it, or meats, or cheeses, or marinara, or oil, or even crust.

In order to re-implement the Voting Rights Act, Congress would either need to appoint new justices to the Supreme Court or go through the lengthy process of building a case to convince not just Roberts but at least one of his colleagues to his right. H.R. 4, which Manchin recently suggested Congress focus on in lieu of the For the People Act, is designed to build that lengthy case, specifically aimed at winning approval from the court.

Schumer’s argument against concentrating on reauthorization is that, while good, the John Lewis Voting Rights Act is in no way a substitute for H.R. 1. The John Lewis Voting Rights Act’s long and legally circuitous timeline would also mean that it would do nothing about the voting rights laws being pushed in Georgia, Texas, Arizona, and Florida. H.R. 1, however, would directly override those new laws, along with the others implemented since Roberts cleared the way.

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I didn’t realize Biden had been in the comic/movie Heavy Metal.

Seen here, Jill Biden and Major

Biden played the Game of Thrones, and he didn’t die.

Seen here, Don Jr. and Eric

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That’s good Nyborg, man!

I put this in the military thread, but after watching the ceremony (~30 minutes)
I think this falls into the Joe Biden doing those presidential things, without us worrying about it.

Lt Puckett bravery in Korea was extraordinary as is the 1/2 dozen medals and 4 or 5 purple hearts he earned in Vietnam. But was even more extraordinary is how good Joe is making sure the family is included and the deft way he included the South Korean Prime Minister in the event. I think Joe is better at this than either Bush 43, or Obama and I’ve watched a lot of these CMOH ceremonies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/05/21/medal-of-honor-ralph-puckett/

Question to consider: in the 2022 midterms and the 2024 general elections, what’s the single biggest concern that people have regarding voting rights, the integrity of counting every vote, etc. etc.

Is it suppression of votes before the fact, that states and localities will be able to make it so difficult to vote that voters will decide not to bother?

Or is it suppression after the fact, that states and localities will figure out ways to throw out ballots that were cast in good faith by citing technicalities, using legal challenges, or calling upon newly-enacted laws that allow local legislatures and election officials to selectively count just the ballots that the powers that be prefer to?

Actually, the mathematically most dangerous voting integrity issue is gerrymandering. There is good mathematical and statistical evidence for that. Then, IMO, the after-the-fact danger is the next largest danger, although it is possible rather than certain. But, the potential harm of that sort of cheating is very large and given the verified tendencies we’ve seen from the GOP, it’s a real threat. The voter suppression issue, although worrisome, does not seem to me to have the verifiable mathematical and evidentiary impact of the other two dangers. Part of that is that it’s hard to measure but also I just don’t see good evidence of the magnitude of impact, of the actual applied scale, that would make that a first tier danger. I’m not dismissing it, but my view of the priorities are very clear and strong:

1)Gerrymandering: good hard evidence of a close-to-politically-existential level of threat.

2)After-the-fact cheating and other manipulation/shenanigans: somewhat speculative but potentially even worse than gerrymandering, and with the hard evidence we have of GOP malicious intent, it’s a very serious threat.

3)Voter suppression: worrisome, threatening, bad, but we just don’t have the evidence or stats to consider this the most serious of these threats.

What this means in reality is that if the Dems are unable to pass broad-based voter protections, I think there are two main things they should focus on:

1)Anti-gerrymandering laws such as requiring neutral redistricting commissions for House districts (it’s possible to lose this issue at the very bad Supreme Court we have now but we have to try) and

2)Some form of pre-clearance, which actually restrains the after-the-fact cheating more than you might think.

This means I consider both the anti-voter-suppression and the money-in-politics reforms things we can sacrifice if we absolutely to. Not that I want to, but needs must when the devil drives.

Both. I’m afraid of cheating in every possible way right now.

For my state, it’s mostly gerrymandering that I’m worried about, though I suspect courts will force a compromise by locking it up until they come up with something only moderately tilted in R favor. I don’t think they’ll be able to get 10 safe seats again, but 9 is likely.

After 2022 when Dems likely lose the State Supreme Court, I am very worried.

On the other hand, I am fairly confident that PA will have to Democratic Senators in 2022!

For myself it would be after-the-fact voter suppression.

What the GOP needs is some kind, any kind, of handhold on which to validate their worldviews, and this means what they need is some kind of agent of plausible deniability to act as a first mover. In so many ways Trump fulfilled this role for them admirably and still does - all they have to do to justify saying that the election is corrupt is point to the President and parrot whatever he said. An extended and elaborated version of what the GOP White House did back in Bush 2 days, that story about slipping a (WSJ? i don’t remember) reporter a report, then later pointing to that report as evidence of the truth of their position.

What you see in the GOP today is a kind of epistemologically closed, quasi-religious faith-based thinking. What the GOP wants is to close the last avenues of reality into that bubble. Widespread disqualification of voters in GOP states to ensure GOP victories is such a dangerous precedent for all the imaginable reasons, seeing it happen would certainly be my largest worry, because it would mean the GOP has - or thinks it has - closed those avenues of truth based reality down in certain areas. This would cause the obvious political crisis, but it would mean there would be little possibility of fact-based political solutions in those areas either.

So here’s the problem.

I agree with Sharpe on gerrymandering, but didn’t bring it up because I’ve seen some very smart election law folks opine that it’s fairly likely that the gerrymandering elements of HR1 won’t pass SCOTUS challenge on the Article I, Section 4, Clause 1 bit on the Constitution. Which is a tough problem to solve for.

But most of what both bills – HR1 and the John Lewis election reform bill – in the House do is to address before-the-fact voter suppression. Which is the enactment of laws in the manner that Georgia has done that appear aimed at making it more difficult for minorities to vote. And preventing that from happening is a very noble undertaking for sure. Those laws are racist and odious and anti-democracy.

But also as Sharpe points out…the data that we have shows that if the goal of such laws is to prevent minorities from voting, they pretty much don’t work out that way. Even if you set aside 2008 and 2012, the (admittedly small sample size) data we have seems to suggest that attempts to make it harder for folks within certain demographic groups to vote seems to make them want to vote all the more.

So yeah. It’s definitely good to try to do something at the federal level to combat shitty, racist voting regulations like the ones that Georgia are trying to enact. But to be honest? Evidence suggests that laws like that may not create a material change in voter behavior such that it will be enough to flip election results.

And so but now there’s the third thing: voter suppression/election vote count hijinks after the fact. This is the one that should scare everyone to death, frankly. Because most state legislatures grant pretty extraordinary powers to rule on and enact process rules on vote counting to the person in the state whose office oversees these things (usually a state Secretary of State). And so it’s easy to imagine a super-Trumpy state SoS who realizes “Hey, I can fuck with our election count procedures and I’m not only not gonna go to jail for it, I’m going to be protected by the white supremacist Republican Party and become a rising star within it.”

And that after-the-fact vote counting stuff is what I see chilling folks who do election law to their bones, because it’s also easy to imagine SCOTUS as currently constituted refusing to hear equal protection challenges because they’d be unwilling to step on the Constitutional clause cited above.

And so now here’s the real kicker: there’s absolutely nothing in HR 1 or the John Lewis election law act that would do a damned thing about after-the-fact vote counting/voter suppression shenanigans. Nothing. It’s simply not addressed.

And so here is the very shitty thing that confronts Democrats right now. Are you willing to nuke the filibuster to try to pass election laws that may not materially affect the outcome of election results and which don’t address at all the biggest threat to the sanctity of our democratic government…but may simply be the right thing to do altruistically? Are you willing to do it in the face of control of the Senate flipping back to Republicans in 2022 or 2024?

It’s a shit dilemma, obviously.

But if you’re out there thinking “If we don’t pass HR-1, we may never have fair elections again…” Boy howdy do I have some even shittier news for you.

We really need +2 to get any chance of ending the filibuster.

PA will be one, I think NC is the next best bet (Jeff Jackson is the one politician in NC who has political chops close to Roy Cooper- and Jackson’s young enough to be future presidential materiall, Dems need to go all-in on helping him)

Personally, I think we’re going to have to pull something massively nasty, such as court-stacking, and that’s worth abolishing the filibuster for.

I hope you are correct. I don’t feel like there is enough data to make me feel confident in your assessment, but I look forward to being proven wrong about voting suppression.