Mine are way more intelligent.

I feel that way about essentially any post of any right wing persona tweet.

Actually it’s more like someone showing you the dump they took on your floor, because it also serves to make you angry.

Kellyanne Conway is employed?

-Tom

Can’t wait for the inevitable response to Biden’s speech, that he’s a dangerous power-mad dictator.

The Federalist in 2015: Why are vaccine mandates controversial?
Today: Biden is a fascist forcing mandates on private companies

Per Wikipedia:

COVID-19 pandemic misinformation[edit]

During the COVID-19 pandemic, The Federalist published numerous pieces that contained false information or information that was contrary to the recommendations of public health experts and authorities.[5][27] The Federalist published articles denouncing social distancing, as well as articles claiming that fears over the pandemic had been overhyped by the Democratic Party and the media. The Federalist co-founder Sean Davis said that Democrats were intentionally trying to “destroy the economy” as a “last-ditch 2020 play”, and that “All they care about is power. And if they have to destroy your life and business to get power back, they will.” The Federalist published articles calling on the government to quickly end social distancing directions, and to open businesses again.[27] Co-founder Domenech attacked a prominent analysis from Imperial College London which estimated the loss of life due to the pandemic; Domenech attacked the analysis for revising its figures downward, but the reason that the analysis did so was that the analysis incorporated the social distancing and shutdown strategies that had increasingly been implemented.[28] Robert Tracinski, a former contributor, wrote in The Bulwark that The Federalist had devolved over time into a “conspiracy-mongering partisan rag that has now become a menace to public health”.[28]

It published a piece by a person identified as a physician in Oregon who recommended that people hold chickenpox-style parties for the coronavirus to build herd immunity, but the recommendations were contrary to those of public health experts, and the author in question did not have a medical license and had worked as a businessman for decades.[27][29][30] At the time, experts warned that the number of new infections should be kept down so as to not overburden the health care system.[31] The Federalist was subsequently temporarily suspended from Twitter for promoting fringe ideas that contradicted public health experts and were harmful to public health.[30] Reddit also removed links to The Federalist article on its platform.[32]

One of the Federalist’s writers was blasting the Anonymous federal employee a few years ago for being a coward and not writing under his real name (because knowing you’d do so would get you fired by someone like Trump). Publius as a pseudonym for certain Founders writing the Federalist Papers rolled over in its (their) grave(s).

A bunch of the GOP, including Trump at the forefront, just failed to understand that the only way to prevent economic devastation was to face the Covid issue and deal with it.

They never understood that there was no way to magically avoid economic damage. The shit was going down. It was never a choice between facing lives or saving the economy. I mean, even if that was a choice, it seems like one choice is obvious, but it was never that choice anyway.

The only way to save the economy, was to save the people. You couldn’t just open up the economy while the pandemic was ravaging the population, because people don’t want to go see a movie when it means they or their family might literally die. No one actually gives that much of a shit about dinner and a movie.

The smart, obvious move was to do what a country like me Zealand did. Certainly, it would have been harder here, but it still could have been done if we had actual leadership. Trump could have said, “ok, we are going into lockdown across the country for 4 weeks.”

That would have done it. It would have worked. While 4 weeks of lockdown works have sucked, it would have been a drop in the bucket compared to the drawn out mess we’ve had going on the for past 18 months.

Trump could have done this, and it would have worked, and he would have been reelected. Literally, all he had to do was exhibit moderately competent leadership that was focused on something behind the immediate present.

But he couldn’t. He kept thinking that the answer was to just lie about covid, and say it wasn’t that bad. But this obviously didn’t work. John Oliver pointed out that this wasn’t a case of choosing one bad thing or another… It was choosing one bad thing, or BOTH bad things.

Trunk tried to just bullshit his way through it, like he’s done for literally everything in his entire life, and it didn’t work because you can’t bullshit viruses. Because they are fucking viruses.

Since, I’ve been pretty critical of Biden;s handling of Afghanistan, I think it is only fair that praise his action today in handling of the pandemic.

Using OSHA/labor department to require large company enforce a vaccinate mandate, shows strong leadership in my opinion. Obviously, Trump would have never done such a thing. But I’m not entirely sure how many of his opponents in the primary would have dones so also. Despite the howls of the Republican, it is completely with in his power. Rachel Maddow today talked about Public Safety Law #1 of 1896 which force railroads to change from manual car coupling/decoupling to automatic decouplers. Saving the limbs of many railroad workers.

I am sure Dr. Fauci is enjoying being able to saying unequivocally, “no the President is following the science.”

@Timex You are delusional. The US is not an island in the middle of nowhere. Know how many countries have effectively locked everything down for 4 weeks and controlled Covid? Zero. And somehow the US border becomes miraculously closed with no one coming into the country at all?

If your policy analysis ever says the US should be like a small isolated island OR a racially homogenous country then your analysis fatally flawed and you should reconsider thinking about policy.

I mean you can pretend New Zealand doesn’t exist, but it still does.

The main opponents of locking things down were Trump supporters.

Uh. Wut?

Have you not encountered that one? That’s been the trendy way for capitalists to dismiss any positive aspects of Euro-socialism for years.

Nothing Sweden does would work here, obviously, because it’s full of Swedes.

Yes, it’s crypto-racist as fuck.

For some value of crypto, anyway. Seems pretty obvious to me.

New Zealand could fully control its borders more than just about anywhere. The US, with its porous borders, could not.

I can’t think of any non island area that succesfully pulled off zero-COVID. Most Island areas did.

Hey, I’m not the person saying “Zero” countries have done a thing that countries have done.

I’d argue that South Korea also did it. And they’re not an island. But they took it seriously, had a plan, executed it. We had Trump saying it was all fake and that anyone saying otherwise was a traitor or whatever.

Timex is substantially right, there was no material reason America had to fail at this test. There were plenty of countries besides New Zealand that did great against vanilla-COVID, e.g. Australia, Japan, and much of SE Asia. Many of these countries are significantly poorer than the USA, more crowded, and have more direct travel and trade with China. For our part, there were any number of reasonable and achievable policies that could have helped: targeted lockdowns, actual contact tracing and quarantine, government support for universal masking, stronger border controls, and more support for furloughed workers while they were locked down. Waaaay back at the start of this mess there were articles by people flying in from overseas comparing the steps taken in the source country (temp checks, masks, separation of travelers, quarantine on arrival) to what we were doing in the USA (stuff everyone from 50 flights together in one room for hours while they wait on luggage, then once they’ve all been infected send them off into the world). So we could have substantially lessened the impact of COVID, and made it to the vaccines without nearly so much death and disruption.

Wahoo isn’t 100% wrong though; the USA had the means to beat COVID, but our efforts were crippled due to political polarization, which is deeply intertwined with racism over here. If a third of your population hates the liberals and PoC more than they love life, or is fine with the disease since they think it’s only going to effect those blue cities and their “inner city” people, you’re not going to be able to pull together to have the consistent national effort needed to beat a pandemic.

Yup. The pandemic was both a crisis and a political opportunity. New Zealand’s PM rode to re-election with historic levels of popularity and her party reached a high-water mark of success thanks to her handling of COVID. Like, there’s an alternate universe where all of Trump’s bluster was real, and he actually was a hyper-competent and visionary leader, and he led America through the pandemic with shining success. Democratic leaders and consultants would have spent the next several decades waking up from cold-sweat nightmares about the results of the 2020 election. It would have been the 1980 election on steroids. Instead of course Trump failed at every step of the crisis.

Whatever you think about the idea of a full lockdown to stop Covid, the problems with the approach don’t really have much to do with some sick people might come across the border.

The problems are legal (is it a thing the federal government can even do? Would all the states go along? What happens to people, companies, communities that ignore the order?) and practical (what about essential services? Who are essential workers? How does food get delivered, from where, by whom, and who pays?). And so on.

I was thinking more Taiwan, Channel Islands, some Polynesian and Carribean countries. Australia as well, though it’s kinda broken apart there and the populace has had enough of the rules.

Vietnam did very well as well, didn’t they? Or did they end up getting slammed?

They did well for a good while, but delta got them. Thailand in a similar position.