Because it allows democrats and republicans look bipartisan. Which White Middle-Class people think is a good look, even though it’s stupid.
Timex
5120
Like I said before man, we aren’t gonna see eye to eye. Let’s just let it go.
I mean, I can give you the facts, but you do have to be willing to look at them.
CraigM
5124
This right here. The corporateist wing has demonstrated they are an impediment to good policy for decades. Manchin is just the most extreme version of that.
Sure, but I feel like the GOP does most of the heavy lifting.
Enidigm
5126
Two people who are willing to quit but are also compelled to have the last word: step right up and place your bets!
Yep, they’re the ones that sank HillaryCare back in the day, and made sure there was no public option in the ACA/ObamaCare, because God forbid!
I don’t trust “Manchinema” as far as I can throw them. They got their photo op for Bipartisan Brownie Points and now they’re dragging their feet on honoring their end of the deal. You’d think it was their money the federal government was spending.
KevinC
5128
Manchin I can… maybe not respect, but I understand him. He’s basically a Mitt Romney that caucuses with the Dems, from the Trumpiest state in the Union. I appreciate that since it’s the only reason we control the Senate, but I certainly don’t expect much from him in regards to pushing the Democrat’s agenda.
Sinema just seems like a mole. Like she completely lied about who she was or what she represented while running for office then immediately discarded the disguise and started fluffing her patrons the second she was in office. She’s the one that really pisses me off.
Looking at Sinema’s career, seems like she was probably always just an opportunist, never really stood for anything.
I actually agree with this. Although, I add 3B Sane Republicans like Collins, Murkowski and Romney.
But the way to keep the death cult from gaining power is to prove that government can work. Get Covid under control, and start passing legislation that helps people. Legislation that is so needed that even sane Republicans support it. Now sane Republicans should support the tax increases in the bill, but they don’t and they should be hammered on it.
But as I said earlier, you don’t go to war with the Senate you want…
I think the mistake progressive are making is thinking they actually have 50 Democratic Senators, they don’t, Manchin votes 70% of the time with Democrats, he is a mirror image of Susan Collins. Now 70% is hell of a lot better than ~0% support than they get from any other Senator from WV.
BTW, am I the only person who didn’t know what accelerationism is? Maybe it is generational.
KevinC
5132
I think I mostly became familiar with it when I was trying to understand Brexit and how it had support among the far left and right.
Timex
5133
It’s the idea that the best way to fix things is to actually work to make them worse, so that things are so bad that everyone is forced to fix it like you want.
It manifested itself in 2016, famously from idiots like Susan sarandon, who said that it was better to support Trump than Clinton, because Clinton wouldn’t actually do anything, and only be making things even worse with Trump could we improve anything.
It’s an idea pushed by idiot children who don’t understand how to actually achieve progress, and think that there’s some kind of short cut.
Yeah, the car is out of control and skidding off the road so… you should accelerate and crash into a tree. Then you can collect your insurance for a totaled car and buy a new car, I guess? The one wrinkle in that plan is that you died in the crash.
I don’t know when the term was coined but it describes the behavior of German Communists in the early 1930s busting up Social Democrat rallies while chanting “Nach Hitler Uns” (After Hitler, Us). Yes, they got control of (part of) Germany for a few decades, but certainly not the way they imagined, and not before a whole lot of them got killed, either by the Nazis or by Allied/Russian munitions of one sort or another.
Alstein
5136
I agree with this as well.
This kinda is where I feel right now. We got a deal, we’re not going to get better- take it, fight for more later.
Anti-unionbusting in there as well. Even more for it now.
Houngan
5137
Agree, especially with 2022 elections coming up, don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. It really sucks that the GOP somehow manages to do tons of bad stuff more or less at will and the Dems have to clean it up, but clean it up they must.
I don’t think there’s any question right now that the House Dems will fall in line and vote for the current BBB bill, is there? They just want the Senate to do it first, because they don’t want to be Charlie Browned.
