5139

I’m pretty sure “The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good,” is the biggest plank in the Democratic party.

There are different flavors, but basically it’s “accelerate the decline so that people are motivated to act”. Only that decline can mean sectarian violence (Boogaloo Boys, some Anarchists) or cause erosion of power so extreme that you’ll never recover (Sarandon, many Far-Left groups). Don’t vote for Hillary, Trump will be better! Then 3 Supreme Court Justices later and every advance of Progressivism since the 60’s is looking questionable and we might not have real elections anymore.

I’m sure everything will be great after our Second Civil War though, cause we’ll surely win. /s

5140

Is accelerationism the same thing as the old Trotsky-ite “heighten the contradictions” thing? It sounds like it but I haven’t really been following my left-y terminology since the dumb fucks decided to try to change the historical meaning of “socialist” and rebrand the word as a “good” thing.

Sharpe “a Liberal but not a fucking Socialist” so bite me.

Yes, I am feeling cranky.

5141

Pretty much.

Basically it’s: “Things are bad, so let’s just cut to the chase and make things fucking horrible and get it over with.”

Most people overlook that the resolution to that is generally an armed revolution.

And it’s not a Left thing. The Right also wants it. Most White Supremacy idealization is based on it.
Bringing about The Day of the Rope is right-wing acceleration.

Right Wing accelerationism:

Left Wing accelerationism is harder to find articles about, because it tends to be far more political.
The Susan Sarandons far outnumber the Weather Underground types these days.
Left Wing accelerationism tends to be naive and think that once fascists have control of everything we can just vote them out. After they’ve removed voting mattering and have oppressed everyone. They’re of the mindset that you can just vote out Hitler if he comes to power and in doing so everyone will be united to the betterment of all or whatever.

5142

The origin of accelerationism was with Marxists, I believe.

It was based on the Marxist notion that capitalism will inevitably collapse, and then lead to the Marxist paradise. Thus, if they actually tried to maximize the capitalist extremes, they would accelerate the system towards that inevitable collapse, and then, BAM! MARXISM!

At this point, there are groups across the political spectrum who embrace variants of this idea.

They are, without exception, imbeciles and crackpots.

5143

To add to my post above, it’s also understood that once the BBB bill has passed in the Senate, the House will pass the BIF as well (maybe even with a GOP vote or two for that part).

5144

Generally the younger left makes Bernie look like Kloubchar. They think they will die under the status quo and have no hope.

5145

They should get it over with and kill themselves then. Accelerate their way to the afterlife!

5146

Slow decline, or suicide. Truly, the Democratic Party represents hope for the future generations.

5147
5148

Jesus Christ, listen to yourself, exhorting people without hope to kill themselves, even as a ‘joke’. I would find that pretty unacceptable talking about the bring-forth-the-literal-biblical-end-times clique, let alone people who for all I know are fucking right that they are headed for chaos and dystopia regardless what happens.

5149

“People without hope” is certainly one way of describing a group of people trying to burn down your house with your family trapped inside.

5150

I really don’t think I need to be defending ‘don’t tell people to kill themselves’, but even in this twisted analogy the people getting the hate aren’t the horde gleefully setting fire to things, but the shellshocked people caught in the wake, already leaving behind their own burnt out ruins.

5152

The joke may have been in poor taste but I think it was the burn it all down types that Timex was directing it at.

Anyway, I don’t think the analogy is twisted. My family and I are largely stuck in this country. I take a dim view of people wanting to intentionally burn it all down with me inside because they are idiots that think it’s going to usher in a utopia. Especially when the individuals pushing for it are the Susan Sarandons and Brexit profiteer types.

5153

This was pretty clearly the originating post (directed directly at Timex):

Responded to by:

That reads as anything but directed at Brexit profiteers.

5154

This is pretty much where I’m at.

5155

I agree with all of folks. Don’t misunderstanding my understanding of accelerationism with acceptance of it.

And Jayapal deserves credit for getting the small wins she got with a bad hand. Biden as well, for not pulling an Obama and totally surrendering to the Manchins of the world.

This isn’t the win the left wanted, and it will leave a bad taste in the left’s mouth, but it is a win, and wins are gained slowly, even when they’re needed more rapidly.

5156

Yeah, I’m cool with it.

To be clear, although perhaps you won’t care, the context of the discussion was accelerationists who are trying to destroy everything out of some misguided, childish notion that it will somehow magically fix things.

Fuck those people.

5157

Yes, it’s a win, if we can get ALL 50 Dems in the Senate to vote for it (because God forbid even 2 lousy Republicans vote for it). Manchin and Sinema are being way too cagey.

5158

I think they’ll vote for it. If Manchin doesn’t, he might as well switch parties, and Sinema would likely guarantee herself a pretty rocky post-Senate life.

Also I suspect Manchin would keep his word if he gives it, even if he is personally corrupt. Sinema sounds like she’s a grifter, but she knows there’s more money in yes at the end than no.

5159

This poll looks very bad for the democrats.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21096128-210292-nbc-news-october-poll-10-31-21-release

The Republicans have a significant polling advantage on many hey issues, like handing the economy, immigration, “getting things done”.