The Biden Presidency is underway.

[Thrag]

@Timex

How does it not justify it?

That was explained already. If you want to go down that path the filibuster has been changed before. Saying it entirely justifies it absolves the GOP of responsibility. It’s murc’s law in action. It ignores all context and history.

[tomchick]

@Aceris

I’m really confused why it’s ok for him to say MArk is posting in bad faith but not for Mark to say he “lost his shit”.

Because “u mad bro?” is the sort of thing a 12-year-old does.

-Tom

[Aceris]

shrug I thought people seemed pretty angry. And remember any “wrongthinker” on here is going to face a lot of comments from different directions, which makes it feel the reaction is stronger than it actually is from any one individual.

[Sharpe]

I’ve said my piece; I’ve cited my sources; I’m not going to get down into the mud dealing with responses I don’t respect or acknowledge as having sufficient validity to warrant a rebuttal.

[Papageno]

@Alstein

This is a big reason I’m supporting Jackson in the primary here. He is that - the only knock on him is that he’s a white male. He’s a more populist Buttigieg, who manages to have the left loving him without being super-lefty.

The Republicans don’t need to abolish the filibuster- they are fine with the current status quo, and they can use the court to roll back social rights.

Also if you started at a lower figure, BBB would likely be 500mil at most.

…of which about 20 bucks would be “new money” and the rest would come from cuts to SNAP or something. :-/

[inactive_user]

Congrats, that’s the grimmest chuckle I’ve had in a minute.

[Papageno]

@inactive_user

Congrats, that’s the grimmest chuckle I’ve had in a minute.

Thanks, I try. ;-)

[Timex]

@Thrag

That was explained already. If you want to go down that path the filibuster has been changed before. Saying it entirely justifies it absolves the GOP of responsibility. It’s murc’s law in action. It ignores all context and history.

Nah, I don’t think that’s a good argument.

Saying “Ok, well we want to confirm judges, but you’re obstructing us, so we’re gonna eliminate the filibuster” leads pretty naturally to the elimination for the confirmation of SCOTUS judges… thinking that you’ll be able to obstruct them is not something that should have been expected.

You’re foolishly naive if you think that you can push the line further, and then that’s gonna be the new line that everyone respects.

Saying that it’s “justified” is kind of moot, as no actual “justification” is needed.

[Papageno]

@Timex

Saying that it’s “justified” is kind of moot, as no actual “justification” is needed.

You have a point. The filibuster is just someone’s idea of giving the minority undue power* in an already undemocratic institution, and is nowhere mentioned in the Constitution. It will be gone the moment any particular unified Senate majority with the House and President of the same party just HAS to have something NAO and they can’t get 60 votes for it.

*especially by placing the burden on the majority to come up with 60 votes instead of the minority to come up with 41 at any moment the cloture vote is brought up.

[Timex]

Seriously, if McConnel had something he wanted to pass, and he had 50 votes committed to it, and it didn’t fit within reconciliation he’ll kill the filibuster.

That’s gonna happen, I guarantee it.

[JoshL]

That is 100% true, but we shouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen right away; for the most part, McConnell doesn’t actually want to pass anything, and anything he passes won’t be veto-proof anyway. So there’s no reason for him to do it.

Maybe in 2025. We’ll see.

[lordkosc]

McConnell is 79 , maybe he will retire soon?

[ShivaX]

@lordkosc

McConnell is 79 , maybe he will retire soon?

Grassley is 88 and running for reelection. So I guess you can hope Mitch is less dedicated, but I wouldn’t count on it.

They’ll both likely die in office unless illness hits them hard in an election year.

Edit: Actually I’m betting a dead/comatose McConnell could still win his election.

[Timex]

@lordkosc

McConnell is 79 , maybe he will retire soon?

If you don’t destroy his phylactery, he’s just gonna keep gaining hit dice every year.

[BennyProfane]

@ShivaX

Edit: Actually I’m betting a dead/comatose McConnell could still win his election.

Narrator voice: He already has…

[Papageno]

@ShivaX

Grassley is 88 and running for reelection.

Can you believe that sh*t? Especially since he’s had to give up any shred of integrity and support Trump’s “stolen election” narrative to not get primaried. At eighty-freaking-eight years old. Does this guy not have other stuff he wants to do before he kicks the bucket?

[arrendek]

If Democrats return to centrism, they are doomed to lose against Trump |...

Wonder what you guys think? Anyways I think this is pretty well written.

[ShivaX]

I think the entire thing is drivel.

He’s comparing Biden to FDR. Let me know when Biden gets 91% support from Congress.

He’s talking about shit FDR was passing 73-7 during the Depression like it’s the same thing as Biden against McConnell’s GOP with 48 Democrats and 2 loose cannons.

It’s just stupid.

“FDR did a lot more in his first 100 days” = you’re an idiot

[Thrag]

When it comes to grabbing the middle, the elusive swing voter, it kinda doesn’t matter anymore what policies the democrats try to sell as long as they continue to suck at selling them. As long as even the “liberal” media continues to frame everything according to GOP talking points (the 3.5 trillion dollar bill!) and the democrats continue to fail to find a way to combat that it truly does not matter to “swing voters” what their actual policies are because they will only hear the GOP mischaracterization of those policies.

[Houngan]

McConnell says he isn’t going to run again, but we’ll see.