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The Dems can’t “return to centrism”. They never left, which is a good thing.
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If the Dems lose to Trump (or his younger, equally asinine equivalent) because some voters felt that the Dems weren’t sufficiently Progressive and stayed home, those voters can all go fuck themselves.
Nothing against you, @arrendek, just riffing on the headline itself, since @ShivaX handled the article.
If this is the messaging the Dems put out, they’re going to keep losing elections, whether or not you believe it or think it’s all good and well.
I agree that it’s not the best comparison but right now the message I’m seeing everywhere, on reddit, in media, on twitter, etc, is that Biden has done nothing. Sure, it’s a lot about the messaging, but without something to hang your hat on, it’s hopeless. And infrastructure is great but it’s not getting butts out to vote or going to change the narrative.
But hey, maybe the best the media can do is “Trump bad” and aside from that they will always talk shit about Dems. In that case I guess we’re just boned anyways.
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I have yet to see any evidence of this.
From who? From AOC? Because that’s who I’m seeing it from.
AOC isn’t winning elections outside of her district ever.
“Things that matter to people and make their lives better aren’t winning arguments.”
“Our victories are actually failures, vote for us!”
Aceris
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I think electorally speaking democrats have no choice but to keep pushing the social democrat agenda Biden was elected on. And I think the vast majority want to do that. I think it suits certain voices to pretend that mainstream democrats are “tacking back to the center” because they oppose parts of the more extreme progressive agenda that have never really enjoyed widespread support in the party, and because they are forced by two semi-detached senators and GOP filibuster and obstructionism to moderate the actual legislation they pass.
Also what Shiva said.
vyshka
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The part of Iowa he is from? No. :)
Aceris
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I mean literally it’s:
Lots of Dems: Maybe we should actually oppose this CRT boogeyman that we don’t think should be taught in schools either, if it ever was. We need some active counter to this bullshit because it hurt McAuliffe. Also, maybe we should make the compromises we need in order to pass legislation, because we gonna need congressional approval and we don’t have the votes:
Team DemSoc: NEOLIBERAL BACKSLIDING.
Am I supposed to respond to this? Sounds like you’re just putting your fingers in your ears and saying “nananana”
I’ll respond to this. I can’t sum up my experience with social media over the last few months, but just as a random example, watch SNL over the last few months. Also, I’ll note that I don’t follow AOC or prominent progressive politicians on Twitter or elsewhere unless someone posts them here.
I can also respond to this. Are you arguing that the infrastructure bill IS going to get people out to vote? I feel like that’s the stance that’s going to take some evidence.
To clarify my own argument, I am saying that a big progressive bill that affects people’s day to day will get them out to vote, and an absence of that, after the promises in 2020, is going to do the opposite.
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I mean, it’s sure as hell better than not passing an infrastructure bill. Dems in disarray etc.
I mean I completely agree that not passing BBB in some form would hurt the D’s badly, and that generally a larger BBB would be better electorally (up to a point).
But I think the overwhelming majority of dems want that to happen too. And that’s the message that needs to go out.
Sure is. I hope you guys don’t think I’m arguing that point.
Thrag
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And for one brief moment in P&R the people realized they actually agreed and wondered why, what, and even if they were arguing.
;)
Timex
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Yeah, because over the past couple months, the Democrats couldn’t get anything done.
But then they actually did.
One of the weekend update stories was literally the infrastructure bill. I really don’t think this bill is the one to turn around the impression the Dems have given/been accused of in media. I could be wrong.
Hey two good message from Dem’s in one day.
Toxic free water, courtesy of your Democratic party. Feature, Benefit right out of marketing 101.
A pity Kirsten used the I word and not we. Now that’s passed no reason to continue to use the word, bipartisan. Democrats supplied 89% of the votes and almost 100% of the political capital.
Timex
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There are tons of headlines in every media outlet that say, “Democrats pass $1T infrastructure package”
That’s a big deal, dude.
Also, in pretty sure that they are going to pass a fat reconcilation bill too.
I’ve watched a lot John Brennan, it is hard to believe that he didn’t challenge her statement regarding Trump. But the clip ends right before he starts talking.
She voted for the bill, she deserves some credit. Trump credit is laughable.
I’ll be happy to be wrong.
‘Trump bad’ may not work, but that’s not because the media are wrong. The leading figure in one of the two major parties incited a coup attempt ten months ago and still requires members of his party to support the bogus claim that he actually won in 2020. Considering that he deserves to be in prison, “Trump bad” seems pretty mild to me.
So I guess you can chalk it up to “basket of deplorables”: completely accurate, but not the winning way. Doesn’t mean I have to like this “what have you done for me lately?” horseshit that apparently sends ‘swing voters’ right back to the party that actively opposes what they are mad at the Democrats for failing to accomplish.
