Also, umm, I think John Kerry got expensive haircuts.
What a plutocrat! So out of touch with The Common Man!
A part of me thinks Donald wanted to be the one riding the Lion.
Gotta be a photo of him on the toilet, that they photoshopped into that truck cab. Right?
āWho does Number Two work for?!?!?!ā
Alstein
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Heād lose the general. That said, heās doing a great job in the Cabinet- and I think that is his competence level.
Buttigieg just reminds me too much of Macron in France to not make me worry.
On the contrary, I think Buttigieg would handle the general election very well, but the difficulty is getting through the primaries.
Honestly, I think the best way to get someone with progressive views in office is to disguise them in a moderate package. I think there are a lot of people who would get behind those progressive ideas, but get scared off by firebrand rhetoricāand much more than would rally behind someone specifically because of that rhetoric. Catfish the centrists.
Maybe. The disconnect between Bidenās approval rating and the public support for the actual policies he has achieved / is pursuing is pretty big. People like the policy, but somehow that doesnāt translate into approval for the guy thatās making it happen, even though that guy isnāt a firebrand-wielding wild-eyed revolutionary. Iām sure the temporary inflation issue is part of that, but it seemed to somewhat be the case even before that.
Mostly, I think voters decide whether they personally like someone or not, and the policy is secondary when it comes to their vote.
CraigM
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Gee, I wonder what could be the source of that. Be mighty nice if there was some of that much talked about āliberal mediaā to talk up the policies some.
Alstein
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I agree with this, if not moderate at least populist the way Biden did it.
I think Roy Cooper would be great at this, if he ran, heād be my first choice even if AOC ran. (another thing I think would surprise folks- I wouldnāt vote for AOC despite thinking sheād be the best president, because sheād fail at the most important job- making sure a Republican isnāt president)
Roy also has the advantages of perhaps making NC blue, and not having a national reputation to be used against him.
abrandt
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And this is where I think Peteās willingness to engage directly with the hostile media and doing it well would be a big advantage for him.
Alstein
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I agree, heās really good with the white moderate crowd that seems to be buying Republican bullshit again. He needs to be trotted out more. I donāt think heās Presidential material, but heās a real asset to the Dems.
Pretty much everyone in the game engages with the media. Pete isnāt bad at it, but heās never really been tested over the course of a national campaign against an opponent who will simply try to kill him. I canāt see much reason to believe he would fare better than Biden. After all, Biden actually got elected despite that ordeal.
What does this even mean?
By the way, he isnāt bad at it? He went on a Fox News Town Hall and argued in favor of Pro Choice, and moved the whole Audience to his side. He is fucking unbelievable at it at.
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It means heās never fought a national campaign for two years against the Republicans. I thought that was obvious, sorry.
I disagree. A lot of the candidates during the primary were attacked by Fox News. Heck, Fox News and others are currently attacking Pete for taking paternity leave.
If that doesnāt count, then sure, by your incredibly narrow definition, the only person that counts is Joe Biden.
I donāt care if you disagree with facts. Pete has never been the target of the Republican candidate-destroying machine, not at any level of high office. Heās never even been the candidate for any higher office. Heās been elected mayor. Thatās it.
I donāt even know what ācountsā means. Iām saying we donāt really know how Pete will do in a national campaign, and youāre sayingā¦.what, exactly? That we do know?
He is being targeted right now. Currently.
I realize that you might not get all the news were you live, but as others have mentioned, he is being tarred and feathered about taking Family Leave.
He was also targeted during the primary, attacked by Rush Limbaugh and others, and during his 2019 town hall on Fox News addresses it.
Heck, he was frequently attacked by Tankies and Bernie Bros forā¦ Let me check my notesā¦ Not being Bernie and getting votes in Iowa.
Honestly, he has been in the national spot light, and has gone through the wringing. He got more flake then Biden every got, if you want to be objective about.
As for the national campaign? He walked into the lion den multiple times, been interviewed by Fox News, by Jimmy Fallon, by Stephen Colbert, by NPR, and done Town Halls. I think we have a good idea of how he will do.
Aceris
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The fact that Biden would be 82 at the start of his next term is a big fucking problem.
Dems need someone:
- With ābroadā appeal - that doesnāt mean they have to be a centrist, a lot of progressive policies are popular, but it means they have to avoid coming across as someone who looks down on non-progressives.
- Able to fight, constantly, on multiple fronts because we know the GOP will pick those fights.
We know Biden can do the first. But the question is, is he going to have the strength to do the second when he is 82? 85?
Iām not sure Pete is āthe guyā, but I am sure if the Democratic leadership were smart they would be doing some succession planning and making sure a couple of people who have what it takes were getting the profile they need so that Biden can step aside in 2024 if one of them can capture the public imagination.
He is not the candidate right now, currently. Not being the candidate, he is not being considered for high office by the voters, currently, and nobody is polling the voters on that basis, currently, so we donāt actually know what effect, if any, that targeting is having on his electability, currently.
Yes, he lost the primary to Biden is a great argument for how well heād do in a national campaign against a Republican.
I donāt really understand what youāre up in arms about. We donāt know how Pete would fare in a real national election against a Republican opponent. We donāt. This is not an attack on Pete!
