5425

Definitely got to give Romney props for how he’s handled himself, you have at least one senator that you can be proud of, even if you might not agree on his politics. I think things might have been better for the US if McCain hadn’t died when he did and if Flake and Corker had been on the cycle coming up for 2022 elections instead of the 2018 election.

I haven’t kept up with Corker, but Flake endorsed Biden, which is probably a death knell for his political career.

I know Romney’s got a long time until re-election, but how are his numbers holding up in Utah? I know he was super popular before fighting with Trump, how much of a hit has he taken for standing up for his principles?

5426

We definitely need to take that song back. They cannot have it.

Man… that was a lot of posts. You’ve all been quite busy.

5427

The Trumpists here hate him and I have a hard time separating traditional Republican voters with the Trump base so it’s hard for me to gauge. Trump isn’t quite as popular here as you’d expect in such a red state, but he’s still definitely popular. Propaganda is quite effective. I can confidently say that as of right now, his vote against Trump has very much hurt him and he were up for election today he would be getting primaried (I don’t know if successfully or not). It might be a completely different landscape in 2024, so no idea how this plays out in the long run. If he even runs, that is, he’ll be pretty old and doesn’t exactly need the gig.

But in terms of Utah politicians, there’s gotta be some bad to balance out the… well, not good, but not fully shitty. What a joke this goober is.

5428

He is the one guy who could make a deal with the other side without having to be concerned about the consequences. Is he the kind of guy who would make that deal? Sadly, I think not.

5429

I would think not. And the reason for that is despite him having something resembling a moral compass, he’s still a conservative wealthy Republican with all the views that I completely disagree with.

It would depend on the specifics of course, but I don’t see him agreeing much with much of the Democratic agenda.

5430

Well, he was a pretty moderate Republican governor of a blue state at one time. And I think he cares a lot about his legacy and how he will be perceived by history. But I’m not really arguing that he’s going to reach across the aisle, because I don’t think he could, so you’re probably right that his ideology prevents it.

5431

That is a big “if.” Let’s hope Georgia voters turn out.

5432

Phew! Woke up to 400+ new posts in this thread and I finally caught up. So now I get to join the semi-preliminary celebration and throw in the following:

YAY! Yeah! Woohoo! Go Joe! Go Kamala!

Also: Fuck off, loser. Good riddance! You suck! So do all your corrupt, incompetent flunkies.

Like any conflict or hardship, we can turn things positive as long as we learn lessons and grow from the experience. Therefore, I’ve been working on a national proposal which I believe will allow us to go forward in a manner which will prevent many of the problems we’ve been dealing with. Just a couple of simple caveats we could instate to make sure we don’t repeat this tragic fucking nightmare.

Here’s what I’ve got so far:

Candidates for President must:

  1. Read.
  2. Be willing to do the work that comes with the job.
  3. Engage with art; music, movies, tv series, fiction/non-fiction books, podcasts, gaming, etc.
  4. Know how to dance! Not necessarily scary-great Kamala levels of dancing, but semi-decent, ya know? Have some fucking rhythm.
  5. Own a dog. (I will allow cat ownership.)
  6. Have a sense of humor. (Laughing at others doesn’t count.)
  7. Give the public glimpses of warmth and a loving, private family life.

It’s a work in progress. I’m sure there are more.

NOW BRING ON PRESIDENT BIDEN!

5433

Those two seats could be the difference between 48/52 and 50/50 for the Senate, so there will be an insane amount of attention being paid to the runoff.

5434

It astonishes me that Mitt is seemingly the only sensible Rep left now that McCain has died. What a weird political system you folks have.

5435

Honestly, they should just take all the money and pay Obama to have him personally visit every person in Georgia.

5436

He might end up doing that.

5437

Certainly McCain was (and Romney is) far better than e.g. McConnell or Graham or Cotton, but the ‘good’ ones are still quite a mixed bag. McCain let his own Presidential campaign run on the premise that Obama was a Kenyan Marxist Muslim terrorist, and only stepped back from that abyss when he had to sell it face to face with a voter and an audience and realized he couldn’t do it. Romney is completely entrenched in the whole ‘makes versus takers’ gilded age mentality.

5438

It’s not possible that Democrats are going to win both Senate seats in GA, though, right? The one was like 35% for the Dem, and 30% each for the two Rs.

5439

Ha, yeah, that would be more effective, except for the fact that some redneck a-hole would try to shoot him and even if that were foiled, he’d end up getting COVID-19.

5440

That is perplexing to me, too, considering they’re state-wide races. But I would hope that with the stakes as high as they are, the races will be as close as the one for President.

5441

I certainly think it’s possible. We’ve seen evidence you can amass a majority for Democratic candidate, and both the R candidates are pretty compromised.

5442

Let’s pretend im using sensible with many many air qutoes ;-)

5443

So no one is going to call it. I thought two of them were not going to be within the margin of recount?

5444

If the artwork looks a bit familiar, Michael De Adder is the Canadian cartoonist who lost his 17-year position at Brunswick News for posting this cartoon: