Earlier footage from bow guy. He was walking around with a machete yelling “all lives matter.”

One of the problems is that for many police forces, the police officers largely don’t even live in the city they’re supposed to police. Now this is a difficult problem to solve, because a large part of that is due to housing affordability and availability. You either have to increase pay to the point where they can afford a house in super-expensive city, or you have to solve the affordable housing problem.

But housing expense wasn’t one of the problems for Ferguson, which is a largely all-black city with a largely all-white police force who lived elsewhere. There needs to be a greater effort to recruit and train police forces from the population that is being served.

Remember when Trump made fun of Romney ‘choking’ during his election bid by mocking Eric Garner in New York (and preemptively mocking George Floyd?) Just a shout out to his racist followers back in 2016.

https://twitter.com/sichagguk/status/1267088536328536066?s=09

Actually that one is from a separate time he mocked Garner and blacks with the “I can’t breathe” shtick. Hmm, bit of a pattern here. Says Bloomberg and Klobuchar choked and “couldn’t breathe”, just like normal people do when saying a player or person choked.

https://youtu.be/531VeqkY2nE

And here’s the original mocking from 2016 in New York, referenced above :

Not a very good look for the cops!

That could almost be a trailer for the Robert Pattinson movie :).

Do these guys not get basic training on media perception?

I mean, I’m in Cyprus on a peacekeeping mission where nothing interesting is ever going to happen, and I got public order training, and one of the first things hammered home was be aware of the fucking cameras and phones.

Also, don’t antagonise the crowds, because the onlookers can easily become participants if provoked.

General theory states that in a crowd/protest situation, maybe 5 % are hardcore, looking for a fight. They tend to be young. In the video here the guy who approached the first police vehicle from the rear and left, hit it then walked away fits that profile.

Then the 2nd police vehicle shows up, the vehicles drive in, and the reaction of the crowd…

this is exactly what I and my colleagues have been told to avoid doing, as you can see here the reaction is to ignite the whole crowd against you.

I know a great many people in the police and the army.

Sadly I have to concur with this assessment.

there are some good ones though.

If they do, it’s outweighed by the warrior complex. A group of police in riot gear and militarized hardware is its own mob, and you better believe they behave differently around a big group of their own.

Look at this guy. This is not a guy interested in de-escalation.

Protestors are the enemy.

I don’t know exactly what to do as a middle aged white man but I am posting this wherever I can.

My Promise

I am a middle-aged white man with a good living. I do not condone rioting, but I can’t even pretend to understand the rage, anger, grief, and feelings of powerlessness felt by any other demographic. What is my role in this, how do I start to utterly understand what my fellow Americans are saying and doing?

First, I can’t and that is fine. It doesn’t mean I don’t work to empathize, dialogue, or work my hardest to make things better. It means I will never be in a position, because of the luck of my birth, to be able to fully understand.

Second, because I am in a better position, it is my responsibility to help give support to those who do understand. For me, this means financially helping organizations to give this voice. Be it the ACLU, bail freedom projects (https://www.nwcombailfund.org/ , my local one), NAACP, BLM, and any others that I am made aware of. I won’t try and be this voice, because I can’t. I can explain why our culture is unfair, why our government doesn’t work, and why our economic system is corrupt. I can never explain how other groups feel, act, or should behave.

Third, I can never understand directly how this affects any other community, but I will do whatever I can going forward to amplify and echo their voices. When there is an election, I will read the opinions of minority communities only. I will make my choices based on those recommendations and not based upon what choice I think is best for them. Again, I can’t determine what is best, it is not my role, but I can listen and apply their choice at the ballot box with my vote. I have benefited from elections and my vote is no longer for my benefit. It is for my fellow Americans.

Fourth, I will not be quiet. Again, I will not whitesplain the problem, come up with the solution, or argue why something won’t work. I can’t do that, I can’t understand. I will always try to amplify the discussions. I will always try to address racism, misogyny, and prejudice when I see it. I might be scared, embarrassed, or uncomfortable to raise my voice, but any fear is minimal when measured up to what any of my fellow humans are feeling. Being uncomfortable, embarrassed, or even scared is no longer and was never a good enough excuse.

Just like I can not speak for or understand any oppressed demographic group, I also can’t speak for my demographic. I can only speak for what I will do going forward.

I will listen, not talk. I will amplify, not reword. I will support, not judge. I am part of the problem, just by not listening and supporting. No longer.

— Craig Linderoth (@galadin) May 31, 2020

Yes, this is true. It does feel kinda cool wearing the “robocop” gear. But our training is constantly about containing and de-escalating.

I don’t have much experience of this, only having done the training for the Cyprus mission, but my limited, only semi professional knowledge struggles to understand the thinking behind what we’ve seen of the police actions linked in this thread.

shooting at white people. This is new!

I think it’s been mentioned before that the rules of engagement for the military are actually quite a bit more strict than those for the police force.

This is probably because the people in charge in the military understand how one mistake can lead to massive problems, likely by experience. I bet they also know that the people involved tend to be young and the types that would love nothing more than to pop off a few rounds towards “the enemy,” perceived or real. So they have to be strict about when that’s OK and when it’s not OK.

So until people recognize and address the structural issues around the types of people policing attracts, nothing is going to change.

I do appreciate that some places are having success here, but it’s too few and far between.

And this is how you win the media/perception war. Those are very powerful images.

As I watched this, a mote of dust found it’s way onto my eye and caused a purely physical and defensive deployment of water globules.

I teared up.

I can confirm that the rules for us* in Afghanistan, and the rules for us* now in Cyprus are very very strict.

*refers to the unit I am in now and was then. I can’t speak for “us” as a military or a nation.

Made it home. My block is okay, other than the previously looted Walgreens and the auto body shop on the corner. None of the bullshit made it down here last night other than some three-percenter types trying to regroup in the Walgreens parking lot who got the cops called on them and vacated shortly.

I have thoughts. Apologies if they’re a bit scattered.


Throughout all this, I'm reasonably pleased with Governor Walz, St Paul's Mayor Carter, and AG Keith Ellison. Thank absolute *fuck* we have some awesome black faces up there. Carter's political career isn't ending in St Paul, tell you that much.

Gov Walz has been doing what leaders actually need to do. Accepting responsibility, providing what seems to me to be reasonable transparency, and turning question after question at his briefings back to (paraphrased) “and I have lots of fantastic voices that I’m listening to every day that live in and are part of the communities that are hardest hit here and are rightfully gutted by this awful murder, and we’re going to make meaningful reforms.”

Walz did a great job of cutting off the (fascist, more on that in a sec) state trooper commander just now, at a briefing, on a question about brutality (specifically that video we all saw of the tracer round shot at the lady on her porch), and turning it back to (paraphrased) “this is my responsibility. I gave the orders. And I have to keep the peace. But we’re not done, and I don’t expect anyone who has been hurt by generations of systemic oppression to feel better or to stop protesting or marching because they’ve heard all that before. We have a lot of work in front of us, and we’re going to do that in partnership with the communities and their leaders.”


Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey is toast after this. Doesn't seem like a bad guy, but "ineffectual in a crisis" means you're done as an executive.
Holy fuck do we need to absolutely fucking gut and reform our police forces. There's nothing more to say about this. The brutality on display -- and yeah, it could be worse, it could always be worse -- all over social media is completely unconscionable. Fuck them. They get nothing.
At the same time, I still support the curfew and the crackdown. Just because (way too many) cops are bastards, they're what we have right now and limiting their bastardry to after a curfew imposed because the FUCKING CITY WAS SO ON FIRE YOU COULD SEE IT FROM WISCONSIN LAST NIGHT is probably the best card in a shitty hand.
Looting a Target or whatever, I mean, not great but I'm not that fussed about it. But the violence spreading to residential neighborhoods and widespread torching of tightly packed buildings and essential services in poor neighborhoods? Nope. That shit can't be tolerated. Basically the whole working-class part of south Minneapolis turned into a food desert overnight, and with transit shut down the children are literally starving in the streets (or would be, but for amazing community organizers and citizens and businesses donating).

You think Target or Trump or hedge fund managers or Walgreens shareholders are suffering in this? They’re not. They’re insured and/or so wealthy nothing fucking matters anyway. But the Somali immigrants whose best elements have built businesses out of nothing to serve their communities? How well do they recover from having their shops burned down, their corner stores looted, and their transport shut down?

None of that excuses any of the police brutality shit seen above. Again, comprehensive top-down bottom-up holistic reform of these agencies that no longer serve but often terrorize their communities HAS to be the matter of highest urgency moving forward. FUCK these jackboot fashy assholes. But fuck them slightly less than the race-war-fetishizing three-percenter bugaloo motherfuckers who want nothing more than to literally burn the brown people out of Minnesota.


Especially turbofuck the significant white-supremacist state terrorists embedded in those agencies. They're second against the wall, after the parasite class.
I have an as-yet-undetermined amount of shame for fleeing to the burbs last night to be with my family instead of sitting on my porch keeping an eye out with the rest of the block. I need to figure out how I can contribute to the community healing and reforming and becoming a better place for all our brothers and sisters. More thought on this is required.
I am wrung the fuck out just from being physically near this shit. I have so much more empathy for the people who've lived their lives under the boot today than I did yesterday.

Trying not to make any hasty decisions right now. First order of business is just shutting up and listening to the voices in the community that need to be heard.

My sister (37) also fled to the northern suburbs yesterday. She’s alone in a co-worker’s basement. So I would feel no shame. Her neighborhood had a similar meeting and decided to GTFO. They’re right there on Lake St. and I was seeing her place on CNN, that’s not right. I’m just happy she got away from it yesterday before shit started up again.

Bright spots in the darkness.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/alaska/articles/2020-05-30/police-join-residents-at-peaceful-protest-rally-in-alaska

I am glad both Adam, and your sister, are ok right now.

Stay safe.

Trump out there saying they are gong to designate Antifa as a terrorist org, I expect them to start blindly labeling protestors as antifa and thus terrorists, and use that to justify extreme use of force.