Oghier
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Another, Gen. Robert Neller (Marine Commandant, stepped down in July '19):
These are serious people. I am heartened to see their responses.
Oghier
3846
I think that’s the universal reaction. Not hitting little girls is pretty freaking strong societal value. This guy is going to have a rough time. He is all over twitter now, and I’m a bit shocked his name isn’t out yet.
Doing good work, brother.
That FiveThirtyEight piece is some clickbaity garbage. Ho ho ho, someone else did a survey in 2016! Look at us, our SEO juice is much stronger!
vyshka
3849
Fine by me. We can beat that fucker to a pulp.
Based on what the young man who was assaulted said about what their attacker was saying to them: “You guys are inciting riots. He kept saying you guys are deviants. I’m not sure what he meant by that, but he kept repeating the term ‘you guys are deviants’” I think it has to be Col. ‘Bat’ Guano. He will not stand for deviated pre-verts and fears a mutiny of pre-verts.
This is awful.
Not sure where it happened.
Edit: Indianapolis
vyshka
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And that is why I finally left Facebook. Family posting stupid shit.
And here I just read it as a timely calling up of some recent, if incomplete data to try to explain how police see minorities through their own eyes.
I guess I don’t see anything in that article to be angry about? Watching the cops on the front lines at protests over the last week, it’s something that I’ve wondered about, and though the data they cite in that story is old, it’s probably still pretty valid: sample size of 8,000, and it’s hard for me to imagine that attitude toward race within law enforcement would fluctuate particularly much over the last 4 years.
So…unless I was asking “Hey I wonder if there’s any quantifiable sentiment data about how law enforcement views minorities” and someone here was able to say “Oh, there’s a Pew Research study from 2016 of 8,000 cops”, I’m glad they ran a story calling back those results. I mean, that’s kinda what FiveThirtyEight does…
Times: “OK. We fucked up.”
Oghier
3856
Hmmn. Maybe. We’ve seen studies linked upthread that the general public’s perceptions have shifted dramatically since 2016, especially among white people. Some correlation seems likely.
People spend a day or so defending the Times publicly, then the Times saws off the limb.
I’d say Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, and the stonewalling of the initial investigation into Ahmaud Arbery suggests they haven’t changed too much. I think some of the police behavior I’ve seen in the past week underscores that, unfortunately.
Well, it’s a shot at Bari Weiss outta nowhere for sure. :)
Oghier
3860
Really? Isn’t there someone around here who pokes fun at folks who confuse anecdotes with data? Maybe he’ll chime in! ;)
I’m looking at the most recent data set we have.
And in the article, Perry Bacon cites more recent polling breakdowns as reason for why those attitudes are likely still pervasive.
So what evidence to counter that did you want to enter into the proceedings?
“On a range of measures, white police officers are more racially conservative than white citizens,” wrote sociology professor Ryan Jerome LeCount of Hamline University in St. Paul, Minnesota, in an academic paper published in 2017, based on responses to surveys conducted as part of the General Social Survey.6
About 88 percent of local sworn police officers are men, compared with around 12 percent who are women, according to data from the U.S. Department of Justice. (The country overall is about 51 percent women.) And about 72 percent of officers are non-Hispanic white, about 11 percent are non-Hispanic black and about 13 percent are Hispanic.8 By comparison, about 60 percent of Americans overall are non-Hispanic white, about 13 percent are non-Hispanic black and about 18 percent are Hispanic, per 2019 estimates by the U.S. Census Bureau.
About 60 percent of white men have voted for the Republican Party in recent elections, so it’s likely that America’s police officers have long leaned toward the GOP. That includes supporting President Trump. The Fraternal Order of Police, the nation’s largest police union, endorsed Trump in 2016.9 The FOP has not endorsed a Democratic presidential nominee since Bill Clinton in 1996, but Trump’s winning the union’s support was not a given — the FOP opted not to endorse either Barack Obama or Mitt Romney in 2012.
Oghier
3864
Jesus, you get prickly when challenged even slightly. Did you want to talk to my manager? :)
I said that, given significant movement among people at large over the past four years, it seems likely that there is some movement within the law enforcement community, too. We don’t have any recent data, which was the point of your speculation and mine.
