Well for a start in your reality Colston’s statue was “damn near worshipped”, so it doesn’t have much to do with, you know, actual reality.

I think the difference in attitude to Cloughies statue compared to that of major local historical figures tells us a lot about the British psyche :)

You certainly don’t surprise. It’s not a cause, and it doesn’t have borders. That’s a fact, so when you get over being defensive about what the world is telling you, and since you love facts… it IS the world talking right now, check back.

Just so people know…

Colston was a member of the Royal African Company, which transported about 80,000 men, women and children from Africa to the Americas.

If your cause was to get reverence for people who profited from slavery and racism out of the public square, tossing that statue seems to have quite obviously advanced it.

The fact that this needed to be a thing, is astonishing to me and that’s ignoring the terrible racist connotations.

I thought the US military was all about winning!

Surely displaying the confederate flag is against the military justice code since it was a traitor state?

In that case it’s the perfect time to protest.

That looks amazingly reminiscent of that video from Iraq in 2003.

They seem to be talking about displays of the confederate flag by individuals — bumper stickers, posters, coffee mugs, and actual flags. They are making Marine posts no-confederate-flag-image zones.

This piece by David French, helped me understand a bit where @Nesrie is coming from.

David French, used to be a columnist for National Review. He is a white, conservative Never-Trumper. he is a lawyer, religious, and an Iraq veteran.
But principally, David French is the father of Naomi, a ~12-year old black girl they adopted from Ethiopia.

In my mea culpa moment, I knew all the stuff about David French I just wrote without having to Google. The fact that all the stuff in the first sentence was top mind for me, but I had completely forgotten about his black daughter is a good example of systemic racism, that clearly I’ve been influenced by without being aware.

In his column, David talk about how much being the father of Naomi changed where he sits, and that in turn changes how stands.

Many passages resonated with me.

For example, if you’re a conservative, you’re likely quite aware that the Obama Department of Justice decisively debunked the “hands-up, don’t-shoot” narrative of the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri. You’re less likely to remember that there was a second Ferguson report, one that found Ferguson’s police department was focused on raising revenue more than increasing public safety, and it used its poor, disproportionately black citizens as virtual ATMs, raising money through traffic stops, citations, and even arrest warrants. It painted a shocking picture of abuse of power.

@Timex mentioned this recently, and sure enough, I certainly knew that hands-up, don’t shoot was debunked, and had completely forgotten the rest of the Ferguson story.

The whole column is worth reading https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/

In a world, where data is far less important than emotions, which are so often manipulated, I’ll continue to push the use of hard numbers to make decisions. But I will concede the eliminating the fear Nesrie describes is incredibly important even if it is really hard to quantify. I’ll apologize for being too Vulcan like on the subject.

DeBlasio finding his sac?

In case no one’s listened to it, the NYTs podcast called The Daily has a good episode called “Why They’re Protesting” that came out on Saturday. Worth listening to. The first guy they talk to says that when he was 10 years old and having a snowball fight with his friends in the park, the cops roll up and everyone runs away, and some cops catch up with him to ask him what they were doing and he tells them, and they say “get your black ass home” and “yeah, you heard me, [n-word]”. Then he tells of some other bullshit incident that happened when he was an adult.

But crap, imagine that shit happening when you’re freaking TEN.

Here’s one where Romney is “interviewed”

Actual encounter with racism, maybe not police, kindergarten. That was my experience as well as those in the article. If you’re lucky you get blindsided at school.

Interesting piece but… it shouldn’t have taken him adopting to lovely young black girl to actually come to this realization. Black people around the world shouldn’t have to wait for people to make these issues… personal in order for them to care. It’s just not an reasonable expectation. Perhaps these protests though, are showing that that requirement is not necessary for everyone, so there’s hope.

Exactly. I’ve seen regionally what happens with honest-to-goodness budget cuts to the police force, even before you account for retaliation due to political motivations. Violent crime spiked like crazy. I’m not defending any of the brutality or abuses but it’s not like we don’t need a police force, we just need a much, much better one than what we have in many places. You can’t get that until something is done about union protections for abusive/murderous assholes on the police force.

I’m glad they’re out there and glad that they’re marching.

I remember my parents had taken me camping. I’m not sure how old I was, maybe 6-8 years old or so. I was walking in the campground and a bunch of kids saw me and started following me around yelling racist stuff at me.

I can see Romney is setting him up to be the Alternative path of the GOP. I wonder, if the blow back against Trump is big enough, whether Romney will for office again?

Charges in the Monday night/Tuesday morning murder of the 77-year-old retired police captain in St. Louis who was working security for a pawn shop that night.