Its been there long before the BLM stuff happened.
Timex
5688
It had been on that door for literally years though. Way before he used that garage.
Too right I do. It’s a civil war statue that looks like all the others. None are sacrosanct. No one would have given a shit if a drunk redneck slammed his pickup into it and wrecked it.
Timex
5690
Saying that it’s ok to destroy statues, for no other reason than they depict someone of a particular race, is pretty racist.
And really, this is not a productive angle of attack. You are no longer attacking racism at that point. You’re attacking white people themselves. You’re saying that, simply by virtue of being white, that it’s ok to disrespect someone.
Not sure why you think white people are going to go along with that. You’ve turned the goal from equality for everyone, to targeted racism against them.
Hmm… pretty sure that guy would go to jail.
Ok, I had missed that fact.
Well though.
Now the plot, as they say, thickens.
This. FBI doesn’t think it has enough evidence to call this a hate crime.
But NASCAR thinks there’s possibly evidence that one of its league rules was violated, and that there was some intent here.
Timex
5694
I’m having a hard time understanding what actually happened with the rope though.
I had thought that it was reported that the rope was already tied in a noose years ago?
But now it seems like they’re saying it wasn’t? That it was only done that weekend?
Because it that’s the case… then yeah, it was probably done by a racist.
Yeah, that’s where I’m disconnecting too. NASCAR seems to be contradicting the FBI report that the rope pull was not only there, but in the form of a noose in October.
Timex
5696
Ohh… I think I understand. I misread it.
So this noose was tied during the race weekend of October 2019. The beginning of the race weekend in 2019, it was normal. Then at some point in the Oct 2019 weekend, someone tied it like this. So, it was months ago, and whoever tied it wouldn’t have any idea that Bubba would have been i this garage.
So it sounds like it’s still not intended racism.
It’s not impossible nooses have been tied at times before, then untied, and maybe tied again. Especially if team bays are assigned at random over time. If it was not targetted at a team or driver, then it may just be a tasteless habit of various crewmembers.
Thrag
5698
House likely to pass it’s police reform bill today. Granted it’s going straight to McConnell’s graveyard but it gives a look at where things may go if the Democrats retake the senate.
racist against white people
FFS, here we are 5400 posts into BLM thread and people still shit this nonsense out? Its not the prerogative of angry minorities fearful for their lives and protesting for the future of their children to undertake extensive research on every statue in town. Any civil war era statue is a symbol. Its just collateral damage, and collateral damage is just hand waved away and ignored in other threads.
and no one would give a shit. No one in this forum would have heard about it, no one in America would have heard about it, no one in the world would have heard about it, it would be a minor local story of no consequence.
It wouldnt have generated 1000s of news articles
and it wouldnt have Norwegian Karen telling any journalist she can how her feelings have been hurt and demanding its replacement is funded by taxes (which I presume include those of minorities in that town). It wouldnt have resulted in finger wagging and condescending superiority from white people insisting the protesters should know better and are ignorant and dumb, and it wouldnt have hurt any cause at all if those who profess to be anti-racist didnt decide that its more important than the BLM cause and dismantling racist system, institutions and culture, and were prepared to write it off for the greater good.
Its just a statue man, its doesnt matter. There are more important things at stake here.
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Looks like Mississippi is going to vote to change the state flag.
Wonder if anyone’s mentioned to Georgia some problems with their flag…
(Looks around the Internet, does some Google News searches)
It is mostly a local story of no obvious consequence outside Madison. National media gave it some coverage yesterday, but aren’t talking about it today. Honestly, other than on this forum (and in Norway, I guess,) the vast majority of the online world outside WI seems to have already forgotten about it.
I’d say the world has already moved on to other things, except most of the world (… except on this forum, and Norway, I guess) never paid much attention to this incident in the first place.
I’ll wager this had some effect on pushing for that vote:
Mike Leach at Miss State and Lane Kiffin at Ole Miss being the two most prominent ones. It’s been said before, but for those that don’t know - college sports is HUGE in the south. This will piss off many of their Good Ol’ Boy boosters. They probably wouldn’t have gotten Leach and Kiffin except that they are both in their first year at their respective schools and are not yet afraid of making their old, white donors angry.
That flag is a relic from the past and needs to go. Sadly it’s not a foregone conclusion that it will get voted out, so as a current resident of Mississippi I’ll happily throw on a mask, stand in line during a pandemic, and vote to get rid of it.
Timex
5703
Yeah dude, when you are specifically saying, “it’s ok to destroy that statue, because it’s of a white guy”, and that’s LITERALLY your rationale… then ya, that’s the road you’re going down.
This is nonsensical.
“It’s not my responsibility to figure out what a thing is before I destroy it.”
Yeah dude… it kind of IS your responsibility to do that. Otherwise you’re just a vandal. If you don’t even know who the statue is depicting… then why would you even want to destroy it? You just wanna destroy everything, on the off chance that MAYBE it represents something you don’t like?
Toppling a statue that actually stands for bad stuff, like one dedicated to the confederacy, is making a meaningful statement, and one that I can agree with.
But just destroying every statue? No man, that’s idiotic. And really, the most idiotic thing is that you are actually defending it on the basis of “hey, it’s a statue of a white guy, so of course it’s gotta be destroyed.”
Just to be clear here, I honestly don’t know anything about this statue or care about it. But your position here is absurd.
The idea of “every civil war statue is a symbol” is idiotic. Where I live, in PA, we got a bunch of civil war statues. You know who they depict? THE GOOD GUYS. The guys who died fighting for the Union to end slavery. There’s a cemetary up the street with hundreds of Union soldiers buried in concentric circles around a statue of a Union soldier. Should we topple that statue too? Nah, I think not.
This happened last year, but it’s back in the news again due to public pressure.
Absolutely maddening incident where someone called the cops on a black man because he was wearing a ski mask. Not that any crime happened. He was wearing a ski mask. It turns out he had anemia and got cold easily.
After the police were done with him, he was brain dead and taken off of life support. No charges filed.
rowe33
5705
Just Wisconsin being Wisconsin I assume.
Romalar
5706
There are several things going on at once here in Madison. I think a lot of people are seeing a series of negative actions taken by protestors in the last few days. Protestors are on edge and seem to be lashing out in the wrong direction at times, most significantly against even likely-friendly media and the minor attack on a sympathetic state senator two days ago. Plus there’s an arrested protestor accused of threats on area businesses who the leaders of the protests seem to be still supporting. It doesn’t come across well.
However, it’s really easy to miss the context. Obviously, the entire history of the country and the city. Plus the attack last night on the woman linked above. On top of that, not every story you read about the protests here cover the latest attacks against the protestors. There was another vehicular attack against protestors I think two days ago as well (just before the statues I think, but nobody was seriously hurt), and that’s separate from the fight and car driving through a group of people to ‘get away’ I think last week that I can’t find a clear story about. And, of course, even this theoretically-progressive city’s police attacked protestors at one point at the beginning of all of this, and the city’s response may be to consider giving them MORE funding for new ‘non-lethal’ weapons. Those are just the big ones.
I guess my only point is that attacking statues or lashing out at people is at least understandable here. I don’t know if I really agree with the attacks on the statues in this city, but it’s hard to argue with the protest who say the statues represent hypocrisy. Those are the people dealing with all of the bullshit, the attacks on protestors by authorities and ‘frat boys’ (not just the article above), and the constant societal derision. Maybe it (the statue attack, not the ones on people) is justified whether or not I think it’s the best idea.
On good news from Madison, the police only somewhat stepped up their presence last night despite a new authorization to use some area national guard if necessary, and the protests were entirely peaceful last night from what I hear. We’ll see if the authorities stay civil.
Edit: I should also learn a bit more about the history of these statues. This opinion piece describes more context which is interesting. It reminds me of the issue of people honoring Grant for his civil war actions despite the greater context of all the harm he did to native people in the western US.
