There always is more than a twitter to a story. A lot more.
Do you just react to Twitters or do you seek out more information? Asking for a friend.
Why is this video just now being released when this occurred in December of 2017?
My guess is because no action was done previously and this is an attempt to bring more light to this:
Henry County police said late Friday afternoon the officer involved in the incident has been placed on administrative duty, and an internal affairs investigation has been launched, despite the fact that an earlier investigation was conducted at the time of the incident.
Because, from the information provided, this really seems like a classic example of why BLM is here & why we need to continue to highlight these examples.
And why does it take video evidence to get action? Because a cops word is sacrosanct and no one questions them. We need to be questioning more & body cameras need to be 100% always turned on.
You’re misunderstanding why I said that. Yes, what happens before and after that scene matters, but what happens in that scene is unjustified no matter what happened before or after. He’s in handcuffs. Where’s the threat? What reason do they have to handle him roughly at that point?
Ironically, this is something conservatives have said for decades, but when it comes to roughing up black folks, the cops have no choice. When it comes to protecting you when you call them… well they aren’t obligated to do anything so you need a gun.
The disconnect is just annoying at this point. Jesus was right about hypocrisy.
It is not unusual for any golf course, even a country club, to push faster play, even ordering people off a course. I have seen that done. But I have never heard of any course calling the police over it. Also, 5 somes are slow and the course probably screwed up letting them play 5.
Also, the story refers to them as “members”. Was this a country club and are they members? That would make calling the cops even weirder.
I know they do the timed thing. I tried to do golfing exactly once in my life. It was a warm day, and I went to a local course with someone to see if they did any kind of beginner intro classes or training or something like that just to see why people enjoy the sport. The guy basically told us to go find a man friend to teach us and then come back with him, and he did mention we’d be too slow to be allowed on the course.
A friend of ours later told us that guy was a jerk and that if someone was slow you can actually let the people behind you play through or basically pass you or something if there aren’t a lot groups bunched together. I figured that snotty reception to potential beginners was enough to tell me it wasn’t a community I wanted to be a part of.
There is a course right down the street from me supposedly designed by someone famous in the golf world which is why I was curious to begin with.
That guy was an ass. You absolutely (and should) let people play through. On a really high end course people are paying a ton of money to play, so the course can get impatient if a group is holding everyone up. It’s best to learn at a public course or with some quick lessons. Course etiquette is a big part of the game and people can be jerks about it if you aren’t aware of the unwritten rules, especially at expensive courses.
I have played on course that do not allow five people to play together, men or women, because of the speed problem. The best way to start playing, especially if you don’t have friends that play, is to find a course with lessons for beginners. Most do that.
Golf is a weird activity. There is no doubt in most cases it is a misogynistic world, simply because of the numbers. But that has changed a great deal over the last 2o years. I play on a muni course that on a typical Saturday will feature men, women and kids of all colors playing together. I have also played country clubs that (until very recently) limited women to certain hours on certain days and basically keeps kids off the course (unless with parents).
I play a course that is just off the highway to Yosemite National Park, near Fresno and a large casino. It gets a lot of tourist play as it has been mentioned in national golf magazines. And the fastest players I have ever seen were a foursome of Japanese women.
No that’s Portland. I’m on the other side of the state. The guy that designed this local course is Robert Trent Jones Jr. That name means nothing to me, but I am told it’s… something.
Again we didn’t ask to just hop on the course. We basically said hey we’re new. We have the whole day, some time and money, do you have lessons or beginner courses or basically how would someone kind of start out and that’s the response we got. I don’t come from a family of golfers, and many of my friends are ladies who do not golf.
I have no idea what the skill level was of these women since the articles don’t mention that, but I assume they had played golf before. I also don’t know why others couldn’t just… pass them. They don’t really mention if the course was just jammed packed or something either.
Yea, Jones is a famous golf course architect. Although senior is the more famous I think. In going to wiki to check I found I had played a couple of Jr’s courses.
You can’t just pass some one, they have to let you pass them. And if you are really slow that doesn’t help much. Other than the weird calling police part of the story I would imagine that that story happens every day in America, with both men and women.
I’m a horrible golfer and pretty much stopped playing golf because on a busy course it was just embarrassing to play.
There’s definitely a lot of unwritten “etiquette” (i’m not so sure if the world is appropriate tbh) in golf. Where you’re playing, how busy it is, how much you paid for it, how much you’re allowed to hold people up, all these things are assumptions that you’re supposed to “know”. If you go to a course and spend hundreds, you’re supposed to “know” all these things already. By and large letting one party pass you by is ok… when it starts getting to 3-4 parties, it throws the people both in front and behind off.
So, like in a party of 4, i might have 10-12 strokes per hole. This is… not acceptable. People get annoyed at that level of play. Your party has to wait, everyone behind me has to wait, it’s now a joke and every gets into a bad mood. So for me to get up to scratch golf is a tremendous investment in time i’m just not willing to invest. I mean dozens or hundreds of hours of practice. And i… just don’t want to do that. So i don’t get to play golf.
I can play horrible golf on a dead course - some empty municipal course that no one is on. Sure, they’re happy to have me.
Most places I’ve played don’t let you play more than 5 folks. And if you’re playing real slow, then yeah… courses get mad at you for it.
The counter argument that the women made was nonsensical too… “You’re saying that we’re playing too slow, but those guys were behind us the whole time, so they played just as slowly!”
I mean… yeah. That’s the point. That’s why slow players suck…because they slow down every other group behind them.
And really, playing slow is ok if you are cool and let the guys behind you play through.
One thing that I’ve noticed is that a ton of folks who play golf these days don’t seem to really recognize any of the basic etiquette rules, of which there are many.
Golf is a sport (is it?) where the rules and etiquette are usually learned from those who first taught you, or those you play with. Most courses offer beginner lessons for kids and for adults. Those lessons include the rules and basic course etiquette.
I took lessons when I was in elementary school. My wife took lessons in a group setting when she was probably in her 30’s. I have friends who were taught the game by their father or grandfather.
If you are really curious about learning the game call a course in your area and see if they offer beginner group lessons. That really is the best way to start. If you enjoy it, then you can move on to private lessons if you want.
I play with a woman from time to time who started playing a few years ago and loved it. Ended up taking private lessons and she is very good.
Okay. So if you’re slow and the course is busy, I assume it doesn’t matter if no one is behind you, then you either need to get faster or leave assuming there are also too many to pass through, aka more than one or two groups.
I certainly did not feel welcome when I tried to even ask about this sport, but now I am wondering why the cops were called and what made them decide not to do anything. I’m not in favor of using cops as cheap security for any private business no matter what.
Here is an article with more insight, I think because this got people investigating, and I would assume some of them would know about golf before that happens.
It was the women’s first game as members at the Grandview Golf course in York County, Pennsylvania.
Ojo told police the women were golfing slow because they were “rusty.” But she didn’t think they were holding up other golfers.
One man in the group of golfers behind Ojo’s backed up the assertion.
The man, Jerry Higgens. told police he thought it was unusual the women’s group had five golfers instead of the standard four. But, he said, their speed “did not slow his group down in any way.”
Rusty implies they golfed before. The person behind them said they didn’t slow them down, it wasn’t the women claiming the people behind them were slow according to this source of course.
I have to believe they were slow, and perhaps the men behind them were just as slow. But calling the cops is amazing. And this is a country club doing this?
As is the case with many of these kind of incidence I suspect someone at the golf course will be looking for a new job.
And they didn’t just call the police, they dialed 911. When I call for a non-emergent reason, I call the local number not 911.I leave 911 to life threatening stuff.
When Northern York County Police arrived the first time, Chronister told them the women had picked up their speed and there was no need to talk to them.
A few holes later, the golfers held up the course again, Chronister said.
This whole thing is weird, but being asked to leave, based on what is said here is not unusual just how they handled it with the police which is part of the major national issue.
Thus why someone will be looking for a job. Country clubs, and golf courses in general, do not pay very well. You normally get very good people who love what they do for the little money they receive. But there are always the idiots.
