Displaying my ignorance here but in situations like this can’t they just issue a warrant for her arrest after the fact, and wouldn’t that also be safer since by then she’d probably not be in an agitated state*?

*Maybe a stretch, she is after ‘just a country gal.’

Used to be here you would get a “fix it” ticket. That would cost you nothing as long as you the repair made within a certain time. The video I saw kinda starts after she has already admitted driving 6 months with a broken tail light and I guess the cop either didn’t have the option of issuing a “fix it” ticket or at that point didn’t want to.

Could be that his training was actually rather good and he read the situation correctly that she was just stupid and likely not armed? He made a calculated risk that once the door was opened (and the gun obviously coerced her into opening the door IMO), that he could subdue her without too much force and definitely without needing to fire a shot.

Nothing. That’s why we have a freeway here named after a fallen officer.

The afternoon of April 22, 2011, Kilcullen attempted to pull over a Buick Skylark.

The driver kept going, following a route that now carries Kilcullen’s name.

Kilcullen caught up the car at a red light in nearby Springfield.

That’s when the driver - later identified as Cheryl Kidd, a woman diagnosed with schizophrenia - fired a handgun at Kilcullen.

A single bullet took his life.

Officer Chris Kilcullen was 43. He is survived by his wife and two children.

I think these still are fix it tickets, as in they don’t go against your driving record and things like that, not reported to insurance if you get if fixed quickly but now you have to pay. I have not had one in many, many years, so I am not 100% sure what we do here anymore.

Had no idea where to put this, so I put it here because it’s appropriate.

The wrestling community constantly surprises me.

Well, that’s certainly not pulling any punches.

Thanks Nesrie, that was a good article. The problem is those people who need to read it never will.

It is a good piece, i like her writing style.

There’s one part though, that highlights a major component of the breakdown of discussion on a lot of these issues.

“Nobody cares about white men,” is a sentence I hear far too often. In facebook comments, tweets, article responses, emails, the op-eds of major national papers. Nobody cares about the white men left behind. Nobody cares about the white men who are collecting unemployment, or working middle management, or not getting regular blow jobs. Nobody cares about the white men whose hair is thinning and dad-bod is settling in and they never got to walk into a party with a hot girl on their arm and now it’s too late. Nobody cares about the white men who have to learn new terms like “privilege” or “cultural appropriation” or “social justice” — terms that don’t do anything to explain why they aren’t rich or powerful or happy.

I think that understanding the experience of other people is hard. It takes effort. In a lot of ways, this piece is good because the author kind of does go to the effort of trying to understand the perspective of these folks. And i think that understanding, or at least a willingness to try to achieve that understanding, is critical to solving a lot of the troubles our society has.

Society is, on some level, based upon politeness. Upon some desire to treat each other with respect and dignity, and have that reciprocated. When the goal becomes just beating everyone, things breakdown.

For a white guy, understanding the inherent privilege that comes with his skin color is hard. Because our lives are not easy. We have our own troubles, because life is hard, and not fair for anyone. It takes effort to see beyond that reality and understand that non whites have those troubles, plus more.

All too often, the discussion breaks down because to doesn’t get to the level necessary to convey any real empathy between the different parties.

People like Tucker Carlson tell people that the bottom of white privilege means an assumption that whites live the easy life, and since so many know that’s not true, they immediately reject the idea.

But then on the flip side, such terms are often used to simply silence someone in a privileged position. If they express skepticism, perhaps stemming from ignorance, they may receive a dismissive answer like “check your privilege”. And a lot of the time, this is thrown it by someone who, unlike the author of this piece, really never bothered to think about what that other person’s experience may have been. Sometimes they are just as intellectually lazy as the guy who refuses to think about how a black person’s experience is different from theirs. The laziness is common on both sides.

If you want to convince that guy to have empathy for someone else’s plight, you need to let him know that you understand that has life hasn’t been all roses either. He’ll be more receptive to your argument, because it’s less antagonistic. And really, building up empathy on both sides is what breaks down the crap that leads to folks supporting stuff that ultimately hurts them, just because it hurts the other guy. It helps get them to help each other out, because it’s easier to give a crap about someone else when you understand something about their experience. But it needs to go both ways, because if someone feels like you are dismissing their experience, they aren’t going to be inclined to give a crap about yours.

All add my thanks, this really is a great piece. Glad you posted it!

I hate the word privilege, but I totally agree with the concept. But I think that word really gets in the way.

I certainly don’t agree with a 100% of what she said. It’s a long piece, so it’s hard to achieve that when she touches on so many different areas but… this is another example of entitlement. No one else gets this. This is almost coddling, and no other group really gets to be entitled to empathy and understanding.

The hundreds of years of history we have says it has rarely gone both ways, and now that other groups have a voice, suddenly it has to? The white man experience has always been a consideration. It is the default experience, it is the one that songs and movies and TV shows and books are most likely to portray.

If what about the flip side is the reaction to this piece, then i don’t think the meaning was absorbed.

I wish I could take credit. This piece was posted by a few friends of mine which brought it to my attention. It’s clearly make the rounds.

It is coddling, but it’s effective. It’s how you convince them to see your side. And that’s ultimately what you want.

Yes, if you want someone to respect you, then you show them respect.

You are free to say, “they aren’t extending their hand, so I’m not going to either,” but the end result of that isn’t understanding, it’s mutual disrespect. And that’s not your goal.

It’s not a reaction to the piece at all. I feel like you didn’t understand what I said.

I praised this piece because it actually does in some way talk about the experience of those people. It demonstrated some capacity to at least think about what their thoughts and motivations were.

If you think this is about respect? You missed a very key and important part of her piece:

Having to fight to get what you’ve been told you have no right to ask for?
Having to fight for your very humanity and your right to exist?

If this was just respect, maybe it would be hard to understand the anger. Since it’s not, and this woman is also expressing anger, maybe just let people have that for a moment before demanding coddling.

You’re response reminded me of BlueLIvesMatter. The fact that I am talking to you at all about this indicates that I suspect you meant something else. It doesn’t change how it came off though.

Again, that stuff i posted wasn’t somehow a counter argument to that piece.

I praised the piece, and then gave some additional thoughts on the issue. It wasn’t somehow being critical of what she wrote.

Well she touches on a lot of sensitive topics and in a very straight forward way. She also felt free to express emotion, and yes, anger, so I think she can easily handle criticism.

I just don’t understand how after reading all the, the response is something along the lines of well let’s give them even more entitlement as if their experience is not the default and is advertised, pushed, and even used to shout down other experiences.The very next paragraphs talks about how common and easily accessible content there is out there that already tells us what is like to be poor and white, or white and under appreciated, or white and disappointed. What makes anyone think that perspective is somehow not already understood or listened too?

Sometimes the answer is to listen more, not demand even more empathy.

You might want to go back and read my post, with the understanding that it wasn’t meant as an argument against what she was saying, but instead was building upon some of what she said, and talking about how you can reach some of those people.

I actually can’t find that post on Steve Austin’s page.

This is the May 2 tweets + replies:

(Oh it’s apparently 2016? God twitter is dumb. I’m not scrolling 2 years to find it)

edit: more research, it’s apparently a parody steve austin account.