I guess the same-day launches on HBO Max are over.
Not really the point, but am I the only one who thinks it looks weird in every one of those shots where Zoe Kravitz is speaking? Are they doing some kind of effect to her face or mouth?
Both of her shots look like the dialogue was dubbed in over the footage with some attempt to tweak the video to make it fit. Not uncommon to mess with dialogue like that in trailers, a little less common for it to be so noticeable.
That makes sense. It really threw me off.
Not sure why DC is farming all their best stuff to TV adaptations (Swamp Thing, Sandman) and keep trying with all this superhero junk that no one cares about (well, except for Batman).
I think this looks really good! Iâve already said this about The Batman separately, but I hope we get four really good standalone superhero movies, and not four on-ramps to a potential future team-up movie.
I do have to say, itâs strange that their tentpole movies are now Batman, The Flash, Aquaman, and Black Adam. But then again, it was probably weird to people back in 2008 that their tentpole movies were Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, and Captain America (and not Spider-Man, X-Men, etc.).
Because what theyâre doing has been wildly profitable. The 11 DC movies since Man of Steel have made $7 billion in box office. The only ones that flopped were the ones that were released during the pandemic.
The thread title is kind of funny for talking about the future of the franchise though :) Justice League was released in 2017; there are more post-JL DCEU movies than pre-JL ones!
Ah, but Justice League was also 2021, with only one movie since, from a certain perspective!
Iâm not sure the numbers add up on that one: Sure, Aquaman cracked $1 billion worldwide (the only DCEU movie to do so), but Shazam only made $363 million, and Birds of Prey hit $201 million. For movies with a budget around $80 million, thatâs not great.
I would say that âpost-Justice Leagueâ refers more to DC shifting their movie plans after Justice League didnât turn out as well as they expected. It made less money than all the DCEU movies before it, which isnât what you want with your big team-up movie. I am interested to see how they pivot going forward!
I was pretty deliberate in writing DC rather than DCEU there; Joker also inexplicably made more than a billion. My understanding is that out of the movies in the opening post, the Pattinson Batman wonât be in the DCEU either.
The IP theyâve been using for movies has been very successful for them overall. Saying that nobody cares for the âsuperhero junkâ and they should make a Swamp Thing movie instead just doesnât seem justified.
2.5x the budget in box office is definitely no longer a flop, and 3.5x has to count as a success.
Yeah Iâm curious about that. I feel like if the movie is a runaway success, they may be able to throw enough money at him to come back. As opposed to Joaquin Phoenix, who Iâm pretty sure was just in for the one film.
Iâm pretty sure theyâre already discussing a sequel potential for The Batman, and Iâve heard weâre likely to get a Phoenix-Joker sequel as well.
I think DC is for the moment happy to pursue them both as (potentially) successful franchises regardless of any current or future connections to the DCEU.
âAquaman and the Lost Kingdomâ and âThe Flashâ are both being pushed from 2022 to 2023 due to COVID-induced production delays with visual effects. The Jason Momoa-starring sequel is being pushed back from Dec. 16, 2022, to March 17, 2023. Meanwhile, Ezra Millerâs first solo outing as Flash is speeding away from Nov. 4, 2022, to June 23, 2023.
Dwayne Johnsonâs âBlack Adamâ is being pushed back three months to Oct. 21, 2022, and âDC League of Super-Petsâ is moving to July 29, 2022, which was âBlack Adamâsâ original date. âSuper-Pets,â in which Johnson voices Supermanâs canine best friend, Krypto the Super-Dog, was previously dated for May 20, 2022.
In non-superhero release moves, Timothee Chalametâs turn as chocolatier Willy Wonka in the origin story âWonkaâ is being pushed back several months from March 17, 2023, to Dec. 15, 2023.
Finally, the shark disaster movie âMeg 2: The Trench,â starring Jason Statham, swims into theaters on Aug. 4, 2023.
Iâm sorry, what?
We donât need a Willy Wonka cinematic universe. The original movie is perfect. Stop.
I know! You just canât top Johnny Depp!
I watched the Johnny Depp version in the theater. It was good. A weird movie, but good.
But I watched the Gene Wilder version last year (finally!), and it was really great! I recommend that one if you havenât seen it yet Andy.
I wish I could keep up this pretense, but yeah Iâve seen the Gene Wilder version more times than I can count. I love it! (But there are still things I really like about the Johnny Depp version, like the music. Fight me.)
I pretty much just liked that one joke about cannibalism tbh.
Remakes of great movies like the original Gene Wilder version are mostly silly. Those movies had unique aspects to them that made them stand out in our memory. Statistically, out of the tens of thousands of movies in the past X years, we remember these movies as being great. What are the chances that the remakes will also stand out? Very, very low. Aside from cashing in on the name, these remakes will just be forgotten and disappear into the shadows of the thing theyâre remaking. And that applies to almost every single great movie Hollywood remakes: Total Recall, Ghostbusters, the Disney animations etc.