This is just the resurrection of a bill already vetoed by Kasich earlier, but by getting it moving now, before the holiday recess, the Ohio House can make it the first thing DeWine approves when he takes office in January, which will then result in immediate challenges in court from opponents, which will then result in the case being kicked up the chain to the SCOTUS that much faster. It’s a win-win for Conservatives and DeWine, the former gets the fight they want in the SCOTUS and DeWine gets to be the governor who takes credit for said fight. But obviously is a huge LOSE for women in Ohio.
How any woman in America who is under 40 still votes Republican is simply beyond my understanding.
Somehow that makes me even more sad.
jpinard
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We’d welcome you in Grand Rapids. We’re not that far away. Great healthcare here too.
Thanks! Grand Rapids is pretty cool. My dad’s side of the family is from Michigan, places like Camden, Hillsdale, Lansing, Ann Arbor and Reading, and my dad would take us camping in the UP some summers, so I’m pretty familiar with most of the state other than Detroit (never been there). That said, I’m getting too old for the cold, so if I flee Ohio I suspect it will be for a southern or western climate.
My family has property in the Tampa Bay area, so perhaps I will become A Florida Man like @RichVR. Although they seem to be heading towards a caliphate as well unless they can get their election issues fixed.
Maybe they’re not human…maybe GOP means…
GIANT OLD POSSUMS.
rowe33
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HA, pretty sure your sister-in-law would have an issue with that acronym!
Her opossum is neither giant nor old. ;)
Timex
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“No, you see, i got all these people tattooed on my body because i hate then so much… It’s a negative, not a positive!”
It really is the party of cunts.
David2
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This Tedtalk really helped me internalize how I think we got where we are today politically…and how people I consider not evil could continue to support the president (passively)
David2
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This is the perfect companion piece that talks about Trump and populism also from Jonathan Haidt, who I utterly agree with on just about every point!
Enidigm
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I think he’s right to a degree but also the disparity between information sources is significant. It’s not as if conservatives have looked at the “facts” and decided differently - they have a whole set of different “facts”.
But this stuff isn’t new - i think everyone should watch Father Coughlin on Youtube. He’s the guy that almost helped the Allies lose WW2 by holding back the US from getting involved (as well as attacking Roosevelt, the powers of the federal government, and the Jews). The fantasy and reality of rebellion against “tyranny” however it is defined has perennial appeal in the US; and since the Civil War “tyranny” has been the increasing defined as the necessary powers of the federal government to function. And Conservatives for decades and decades have found this appeal irresistible to their preconceptions of taxes as tyranny and regulation as oppression (aside from regulating morality, which is of course well and good).
Of course Father Coughlin was a proto Nazi but don’t get too distracted by his desire to nationalize a few things, he’s the grandfather of Spin Media.
The hard part about Father Coughlin is that he wasn’t “defeated” in the court of opinion and reason - he was shut down and shut out. Will it take another purging of the rolls of “news” to correct our conservative-spinning out of control media system again, beyond the wildest dreams of Father Coughlin.
Fascinating thank you. I hadnt heard of him before.
David2
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Thanks for the video!
I think you are right about facts, I’ve been engaging an array of Trump supporters on facts, and only 2 out of 100s of engagements would engage me on a level with facts you or I would recognize. I’ve found they far frequently be the perfect reflection of stephen Colbert’s " truthiness", their arguments are more about how they feel, who they trust, and not concerned with the detractors, because of their ‘faith’ in the person/institution they believe in. Its interesting I have my own theories on this, but Haidt provides a lot of context on why they occur via human behavior imperatives.
My take away from several of his talks (mainly sourced from these two Ted talks) are that key factors for this are mainly due because of:
- the 5 factors of moral roots we all tend to share and the inclination and our inherent natures that tend to divide us based on morals tendencies
- the natural cycle of after a society that after having a big change has a following phase that seeks to strength identity, respect, achieving social balance, and stabilizing social identity (which often looks like nationalism),
- the inclination to demonize of the other side for their failure to respect the moral baselines of the observer
- our natural human behavior towards tribalistic tendencies. (Haidt, example of how the left has turned this into a almost religion and not seeing the validity of the other size is a important factor)
- the examples of extremes on both side get publicized reinforcing that the other side is not reasonable or can be respected (which in the age of social media its easy to a half dozen legitimate examples of that a day).
All these factors have locked the current right into a pattern where they are psychologically locked into its path. To a lesser a degree the left is also unable to see and understand why and how the right is where it is, and is itself locked into a almost religious righteous judgement against the right.
Sharpe
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I think if you take Haidt’s concept of the 5 moral roots and combine it with Lakoff’s ideas about framing, you have the foundation for a Unified Theory of Political Psychology. There’s more to it than that, but I do agree that those are some foundational elements.
If you’re interested in more detail from Haidt I recommend his book, which I read a while back: https://ineffablebob.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-righteous-mind-by-jonathan-haidt.html
Oh cool! I will pick that up. Speaking of good political books I am re reading one of the greatest ever written. It is sadly relevant again now, just as it was during the cold war.
As Josh from TPM noted, outreach is off to a banging start here.
