I never liked him anyway. He never came off as genuine to me. Like a nerd version of Ryan Seacrest.

Hardwick tried to get his ex blacklisted, which I believe was corroborated by others. That takes the situation out of private life.

What an asshole. Same goes for Ansari, you would think someone over the age of 18 could read signals better than that.

It is clear that we, as a society, are taking this on a case by case basis, and the difference between Weinstein and Ansari is clear. One was a systematic serial abuser, the other a horny idiot. This isn’t some sort of man-pocalypse people were fearing. Where a guy can’t be a dude, because the feminists are ruining careers.

Wait, I thought the case of Anarsi was overblown? That there were mixed signals, and that piece written about him has a hackjob. Forgive me, but that sounds different from Chris Hardwick, which is different from Weinstein.

Ya, Ansari didn’t actually do anything wrong.

And I’m honestly not seeing for sure that Hardwick did anything wrong, given that folks are saying, “I believe it was corroborated by others”. I mean, was it?

Exactly, he was a horny idiot, not a serial predator or power-abuser. Which is why it will be fine for him. There is a difference between all 3.

Legally? There is the blacklisting. Going after someone’s professional career after a relationship ends crosses a line.

Other than that, he seems to be a douchebag.

But what I’m asking is whether the blacklisting actually happen? All I’m seeing from folks here is stuff like, “I think someone corroborated that.”

Isn’t “blacklisting” a bit of a vague term as well? Its probably more like just bad word of mouth and “this would not make Chris happy” as opposed to a written rule that its “illegal to hire her”.

Very Weinstein-esque

Well, she said it did. It is a pretty hard thing to prove, because blacklisting is as simple as Chris telling his friends, “If you hire her, I won’t work with you”. And them not hiring her. I doubt any of that stuff will ever come to light, nobody will want to go on record.

What we do know, is that The Nerdist has cut ties completely with Hardwick, and people that have worked with Hardwick, like Owen Ellickson (TV writer) has said basically the rumors have something to them.

And actor/friend of Chloe

Again, you are never going to get definitive proof it happened short of a court order of records being turned over. Nobody benefits from showing proof of this, because even getting an email from Chris asking not to hire her, and then not having hired her begs a lawsuit.

I am going to trust that if it talks like a duck and walks like a duck…

Ya, I dunno if her saying it really counts as proof. I mean, you could prove it if you found any of those people he supposedly said it to, who could corroborate that he actually did.

Now, if Kazinsky says that he saw folks come forward and say it, that’s something, but I’d kind of prefer the first hand corroboration rather than third hand. Also, since he’s her boyfriend, his comments aren’t really able to be taken at face value.

Well, since Chris is Chloe’s ex boyfriend, I guess you can only take his denials at face value too.

There has to be some standard of proof beyond people just saying stuff.

If what that guy says is correct, then there should be someone who would admit that it happened. Hell, if they wouldn’t come forward on their own, then he could just provide their name.

I would think possibly the most damning thing against Hardwick was that when he returned others on the show quit. That says something, although it doesn’t tell you exactly what they quit over.

So basically if a guy says it doesn’t happen it didn’t happen, welcome to the state of the world prior to MeToo… worked out well for us, real well.

Yeah there is a problem here.

The thing is, assholes hold jobs, keep jobs, and are chosen over others. Sometimes MeToo will result in someone being called an asshole and another not a considerate lover… and that’s okay.

Chris sounds like an asshole. Chloe didn’t participate in the investigation, and how many friends do you think are going too say yeah he told all of us to blacklist her.

No, but simply saying something happened doesn’t mean it happened. People lie. We can’t just pretend like no one ever lies about their ex’s. That’s not reasonable.

And in this case, the claims involve other people. That means that there have to be other people who can corroborate those claims.

The proper reaction to injustice is not just more injustice in the opposite direction.

Yes, they did lie. For years, decades even with some of those guys, probably always using the same excuse as… well it’s just she said and he said and leaving out the part where she said is like x10. it’s always going to start with one, and that guy, doesn’t seem right. I don’t care how well he cries. People quit when he came back.

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But why would they??? They have no reason to. If they say they heard it, they will be complicit in not speaking up, if they actually blacklisted chloe, they could be sued.

This is the reason why people in power can get away with blacklisting people.

Unless there is a court order to turn over records, nobody will ever admit to this beyond, “I heard rumors that I believed to be true” which a couple people have come forward saying.

I don’t understand what you think you are going to get here? The Harvey stuff only came out when the dam burst with accusations of people well past the events when the consequences of them being blacklisted by Harvey were lessened. This is the power of blacklisting, people don’t want to say anything for fear of retribution, and now that C-hard has his mojo back, I would expect people to keep their lips zipped. How do you think the Harvey Weinstein secrecy went on for so long? People were afraid to cross people with that kind of power.

The most telling thing, to me, is that people working on the show quit because he was reinstated, that speaks enough to me.

Necro this thread in 5 years when more allegations come up, and I will say I told you so.

I guess Timex thinks the only thing we can do is go after serial offenders or that all offender are serial or that one time is never enough or… who the hell knows. As a society, the guys were believed pretty much 100% of the time. Those days are hopefully over. He got his career back, but his character remains in question, and maybe that’s exactly how it needs to be. The next woman he approaches should just look out. She has the knowledge to be careful now.

First, I don’t think not hiring someone because someone else told you not to is illegal in any way.

But beyond that, if that dude actually knew people who did that, then HE could call them out by name. He could say, “This specific person aid this.” And then leave it up to them to decide if they want to be honest or try to lie. But he didn’t even do that.

But I have no idea how much of that was based on reality, or based on the same thing we’re seeing here… an assumption that he did something without actual evidence.

In most of these cases, we actually have proof that stuff happened. While folks didn’t admit that it did for a long time, NOW they do. And that’s what makes them proven.

The idea that “the guys used to always be believed, so now we should always believe a woman” is nonsensical on its face. You need actual proof. I’m not saying you need to be able to make a criminal case and present stuff beyond a reasonable doubt, but you need SOME corroboration. You can’t convict people in the public space simply based on one person accusing them. Because people lie. If you require no evidence of any sort, then you open up the door to have people make those kinds of claims against perfectly good people. That’s not justice.

Imagine, for instance, you had someone accuse Al Franken of something that he totally didn’t do. Now, in that case, you even have a pre-recorded history of him doing stuff (although I would categorize it as poor taste rather than any of the abusive things we’ve talked about here). But if you require absolutely zero evidence, then what would stop people from just lying about him because they hate him?

We can’t react to years of injustice where people never listened to women despite evidence and corroboration, by saying that you no longer need any evidence at all. If someone accused you of these kinds of things, you would be deserving of a fair assessment too. This seems obvious to me.

But what if he didn’t actually do anything? If you have no corroborating evidence, then how can you know?

I guess in the absence of any such evidence, it is potentially good for someone to say such a thing, to at least give the beginning of a history, to encourage future women. But at the same time, in the absence of evidence, I don’t feel comfortable taking either side. I’m not going to call the woman a liar, but I’m not going to condemn the guy. I need evidence of some sort in order to pass judgement.