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Wheeew. That was some read.
Oh man, Scott Rosenberg. He comes from the Shane Black school of “my screenplays are arguably more fun to read than the produced movies are to watch.” (That was definitely the case with Disturbing Behavior, at any rate. Some of the best dialogue in the script got glossed over so fast in the movie you barely heard it.)
I love how he writes his post in one-line bursts like it’s all screen directions.
There was nothing secret about this voracious rapacity; like a gluttonous ogre out of the Brothers Grimm.
edit: There’s obviously more going on here than style points, of course.
Despite rumors he was going to challenge the board’s decision, Harvey officially resigned from T.W.C. today.
Also:
Amazon Studios chief Roy Price has now resigned.
Kevin Smith vows to donate all future residuals from his Miramax films to the nonprofit Women In Films. That’s Chasing Amy, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, Jersey Girl, Zack And Miri Make A Porno, and both Clerks movies. If his residuals stop due to the Weinstein company folding, he pledged to donate $2k to the charity for the rest of his life anyway.
"I just wanted to make some fucking movies, that’s it…And no fucking movie is worth all this. Like, my entire career, fuck it, take it. It’s wrapped up in something really fucking horrible. I know it’s not my fault, but I didn’t fucking help. Because I sat out there talking about this man like he was a hero, like he was my friend. I didn’t know the man that they keep talking about in the press. Clearly he exists, but that man never showed himself to me.”
Yeah, that’s pretty much what I thought. There was just no way that Tarantino didn’t know about what Weinstein was doing. It’s pretty much like Rosenberg wrote. The ride in the early Miramax days was just too damn good for these people to give it up.
Are the men - who are in some small way complicit in the Weinstein culture of silent acceptance - having public mea culpas a meaningful phenomenon, or are they just heartfelt but ultimately easy ways out of facing their own role in all of this?
It’s a hard situation. These handful of guys didn’t know the whole scale nor the worst accusations (such as rape). Quentin said he confronted Weinstein about one of the things he found out. Undoubtedly a very close relationship with the man also clouded his judgement somewhat.
At the end of the day I think it is pretty obvious that they should have done more, and thankfully it is obvious to them now that the entire scale of it is public. Should random bystanders judge them harshly, though? It’s far easier to condemn than to put career and relationships on the line to do what noone else is doing and take a public stand against a very powerful man.
It reminds me of the bystander effect / free riding problem when something terrible is happening to someone. The more people there are observing it the less likely one of them will break out of the crowd and risk to help them.
It also makes me think about the existence of critical mass or tipping points in these situations. If Quentin had told the press about everything he heard about Harvey (e.g. like two situations?), would he have been able to mention the actual specifics anyway? The actresses don’t want anything out in the open until there are enough accusations together to completely bring him down, otherwise they will themselves be risking their future careers. The culture of silence must have been very powerful for everyone involved.
Yes they should.
Believe it or not, there are many men, and women, who do not enable rapists. That’s not actually an uncommon phenomenon This isn’t just about reporting one issue. These people allowed a culture of abuse and exploit not only to grow but to thrive… for decades.
To be clear, I did explicitly state the people I am talking about had no idea there was rape.
I understand that, but you’re also not suggesting that it’s okay to do nothing until her underwear is gone and someone is trying to force penetration right? This guy’s behavior was not isolated or even a secret to men or women who moved somewhere around his orbit. I think it is absolutely right to judge anyone who did nothing while this all unfolded for years. Everyone new. That’s what they’re saying, and now we have a long line of people explaining why they did nothing. Yes, judge them harshly.
All seems like uncharted territory to me. We’ve had individual apology tours but nothing like this.
I wasn’t trying to suggest that. It’s clear now that the culture is so rotten in Hollywood, and hopefully this whole episode and the transparency it’s brought will do much to reform the culture.
I was suggesting there was a degree of ambiguity when your partner tells you something that happened in the past but she doesn’t want spread to anyone else, and you approach the perpetrator and get them to apologise. He lacked the moral courage to do more, it certainly doesn’t make him look good, but I have never been truly tested in my moral courage either.
It’s easy to stand up to these types of people when the culture is different. In the modern corporate environments I have experience with, there would be no hesitation to report sexual harassment. When you have to put careers and relationships on the line to stand up to an extremely powerful person who probably won’t get justice from your actions alone, it’s a tougher ask and no one is perfect. Quentin and Scott Rosenberg both appear to regret their decisions over this time, although it’s easy to feel that way when it’s all out in the open.
Just my 2c… Save the venom for the perpetrators of sexual harassment, assault, the general culture, and anyone who actively covered up wrongdoing (looking at you TWC). The rest of the focus should be on how brave the three women were who brought this guy down and gave other women the courage to come forward with their stories.
Sure. They’re not on the same level as the person who actually committed the crime but even Quentin’s response, or at least the one I read, ended with someone asking him if he thought this would affect his career. Even today, after what is known, after him coming forward, he can’t even say that doesn’t matter right now.
I don’t know how much faith I have in the LAPD and any follow-up investigations, especially when limitations are pretty clear in regard to the law, but I would be surprised he was the only one and also… the goal should not just be about how to help the victims but also destroy the system that allowed this to take place. That might mean some cleaning house, and how do you do that if you don’t take out the people who allowed the culture to flourish… that might mean removing people in power who didn’t actually molest or rape anyone but pushed it under the rug instead.
It’s his fault that someone asked him if it would affect his career?
I don’t think it’s fair to start pointing blame everywhere to people who weren’t directly involved in the things that happened. It’s easy to say you would have done something differently, but how many of us actually know what its like to be in this situation. I also don’t doubt that there are people involved who knew what was going on and actively protected Weinstein, but it just isn’t productive to condemn people for merely being in the vicinity of these crimes. I don’t know what else they can do at this point other than publicly express their shame for not doing anything to stop it.
No… It’s his fault how he answered, and we’re not talking about a casual acquaintance here.
/Looks up Rape Culture in the dictionary - “See: Italy”